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Post by sheepdog on Feb 2, 2014 17:36:20 GMT
So I assume John hasn't MET PAUL yet! No, john hasnt started reading porn yet
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Post by Amadeus on Feb 7, 2014 18:25:31 GMT
OK. Finished! When does vol. 2 come out? Presumably it will be called TURN ON?
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Post by Mr Kite on Feb 7, 2014 18:29:07 GMT
OK. Finished! When does vol. 2 come out? Presumably it will be called TURN ON? What ! I`m on Chapter 4 I get distracted
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 7, 2014 19:01:43 GMT
OK. Finished! When does vol. 2 come out? Presumably it will be called TURN ON? He's only just starting to write volume 2. now. I assume that volume 3 will be entitled Drop Out.
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Post by ROCKY on Feb 7, 2014 20:08:40 GMT
I read somewhere in 2020. That will give everyone a chance to finish Vol. 1. I'm still wondering what the deluxe edition has in those 800 extra pages that our meekly 900 page edition doesn't?
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 7, 2014 21:04:58 GMT
I have the 'deluxe' edition however, the funny thing is, unless you read both versions you may never know!
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Post by ROCKY on Feb 7, 2014 21:34:33 GMT
OK I'll let Mark tell us the difference in one minute.
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 7, 2014 22:20:42 GMT
Exactly! He's read both !!!
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Post by The End on Feb 8, 2014 13:42:11 GMT
I've got more Beatle books than him!! LOL!
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Post by pothos on Mar 10, 2014 22:55:29 GMT
What does Mark say about the recruitment of Ringo from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 12, 2014 16:17:58 GMT
As I recall, can't find the chapter at the moment, Ringo had already left The Hurricanes once before and was just playing with them at the current moment while waiting for something else to do. So he wasn't that hard to convince to leave and join the other great band in Liverpool.
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Post by pothos on Mar 12, 2014 22:49:05 GMT
Thank you for the info.
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 12, 2014 22:54:55 GMT
Yeah Tony Sheridan offered him more money and a car if he'd stay in Hamburg with his band at the beginning of '62. Ringo tried it, but got bored fast and went back to Liverpool and RATH. Then at Butlins in Aug. John & Paul made their offer to him that he couldn't refuse. Fame and oodles of money. If Ringo didn't like that he was all prepared to go to America and find work there. Makes you wonder what may have happened... IF
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Post by ROCKY on Aug 14, 2014 11:14:02 GMT
Yes it will take writing about the Beatles longer than it took to being a Beatle. lol
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Post by Mr Kite on Aug 14, 2014 18:36:16 GMT
I`m up to the end of July 1962 ! So I`m almost there !!!
Here is a good interview with Mark about the book .
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Post by mrmustard on Jun 26, 2015 9:16:53 GMT
I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion around this book. The depth of research is truly astounding and if we now believe this is the true story of The Beatles, there are some stories blown to smithereens!
I have been listening to the audio book (thanks John!). Actor Clive Mantle (was in the British TV series Casualty a few years back) narrates and does voices for everyone. He does an excellent job.
Anyway, two major things stick out for me.
1) We have always been led to believe that prior to their contract with EMI/Parlophone, John and Paul where prolific songwriters. This isn't true. They wrote nothing new from 1959 to April/May 1962 when Brian Epstein sent them a telegram regarding the EMI contract and that they should rehearse new material. They took this to mean write new material. They only resurrected some old songs they had previously written after Brian began to manage them - Like Dreamers Do, Hello Little Girl.
Even Gerry Marsden said in an interview once 'Hamburg gave bands the opportunity to learn the songwriting craft'. What a load of bollocks! Everyone was too busy, playing, drinking, popping pills, having sex and pissing on nuns heads to have time to write songs. Perhaps in the very last stint in Hamburg John and Paul may have done some writing but I doubt much.
2) We have always been led to believe that The Beatles EMI contract was obtained by Brian getting their Decca audition tapes put onto disc in HMV in Oxford Street, London. The guy cutting the discs liked the sound of the band. He spoke to Sid Coleman who in turn spoke to George Martin - the next day - and the rest as they say is history.
Nonsense! The Beatles had already been turned down personally by George Martin earlier in 1962. Ardmore and Beechwood actually wanted to record The Beatles at EMI but that got turned by all four companies at Abbey Road again.
It actually came about because of an affair George Martin was having with his then secretary Judy Lockhart Smith. One of the bosses at EMI, LG Wood, was so incensed at finding this was happening right under his nose and coupled with the fact that George started making demands that he should receive royalties as a producer of hit records (common practice in America but not EMI) but also to stop Ardmore and Beechwood going on about letting them record The Beatles at EMI, that he made George Martin sign The Beatles.
Luckily everything fell into place. However you have to say, if Tune In is really the ultimate truth, then The Beatles breakthrough was based just as much on luck as it was in talent. Once they where given the opportunity they took it but absolutely no one, not even John and Paul themselves, knew they could write amazing songs until they actually did break through and get a recording contract.
Please discuss!
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Post by pothos on Jun 26, 2015 11:13:02 GMT
I wish Tom Egbers book was available for The Beatles fans let alone the RSATH fans. Not sure any stories about them are new Paul missing some very early shows because he was on holiday with the Scouts The Chicken van story through the tunnel but the sense that there was a level of chaos at times organised chaos but still chaos.
I always got the feeling that writers tried to romanticise the Merseybeat story but its seems way more earthy, underground and at time dangerous.
I still think the new generation of music lovers do not appreciate how important that EMI contract was as not only got The Beatles going but opened the doors to the new scene. The Beatles kicked the door in for so many bands after that.
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Post by mrmustard on Jun 26, 2015 12:18:35 GMT
That was the other thing. Common perception is that Paul was the most professional, Mr PR etc. Now I know he missed a few shows in the early days of the Quarry Men but it didn't matter then. However even when Brian was manager and they realised they had a chance of making it, Paul just decided he didn't want to play a gig when Brian, John and George called to pick him up for the gig. Paul said he wasn't ready and kept them waiting a long time. They went on to the gig and left a message for Paul to follow them on. He took the hump that they wouldn't wait and refused to do the gig so stayed home and watch the telly instead. Even when they where due to sign their management contract with Brian he decided to have a bath and was hours late for the meeting. Its seems that John, George and Pete where more intent on making a career out it than Paul was.
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Post by Bongo on Jun 26, 2015 12:41:41 GMT
I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion around this book. Gerry Marsden said in an interview once 'Hamburg gave bands the opportunity to learn the songwriting craft'. What a load of bollocks! Everyone was too busy, playing, drinking, popping pills, having sex and pissing on nuns heads to have time to write songs. Perhaps in the very last stint in Hamburg John and Paul may have done some writing but I doubt much. Please discuss! I agree with you there wasn't time to learn new songs, but playing all those gigs sure taught them musically, which I'm sure led to learning/playing odd chords that led to some of their amazing hits. Obviously this did not help other bands, like it did for the Beatles. All that sex.... I'm jealous!
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Post by mrmustard on Jun 26, 2015 14:14:29 GMT
Yeah. Even so, to go from writing fairly mediocre songs then have at least a 2 year break from writing to then start writing amazing songs is quite an achievement.
No one could ever have predicted what they would become right up to the beginning of 1963. (Apart from Brian).
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