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Post by johnharisson on Jul 24, 2013 9:47:29 GMT
Hey guys, Have you seen all the comments on every youtube videos about this website called "The Truth Contest" ? I first thought it was bot spamming, but it actually seems it is people who are writting all these comments: they answer questions and post unique comments each time (bots do not do that). So I checked the book they talked about "The Present" out of curiosity, to see what it says about The Beatles and it makes much sense to me. What do you think ? www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/beatles.html
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Post by klang on Jul 24, 2013 12:45:37 GMT
If the implication here is that there may have been some parapsychological forces at work,I certainly tend to agree.I am a devout believer in the theory that part of the Fabs earlier successes were result of having pulled various international societies away from certain negative sociological strains.Here in America,this would have been the JFK assassination.In Europe,I tend to think they were largely responsible for helping pull many communities out of WWII funk(eg. post war rationing in the UK).That the fabulous foursome should come along at such moments of highly common strife seems some sort of preordained measure of the cosmos in place to combat these woeful incidents.In turn,these same karmic forces took an opposite turn in the form of John Lennon's ironic early violent demise.
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Post by johnharisson on Jul 24, 2013 13:09:07 GMT
Yeah and as explained in that chapter, The Beatles could now be part of a new revolution if we start listening to their lyrics more carefully. A lot of their songs have a new meaning to me since I read this, such has The word, From me to you, No reply, I'll get you... The rest of the book is also very interesting, it resonates with what I always knew, but could not put words onto. I remember discussion with my Dad, I was trying to explain him there is something very wrong with this society and the way we live like zombies. Now I would be able to explain him better, but he is dead unfortunately... anyway that's not about my father
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Post by klang on Jul 24, 2013 13:31:14 GMT
Sixties counterculture maintained a great degree of philosophical enlightenment that is woefully lacking in today's highly material and self-interested societies.I just can't understand how things have gotten to the dreadful state in which we live.Back in the days of "All You Need Is Love" and "Give Peace A Chance" there was more than a glimmer of hope and faith that mankind could indeed bring about some sort of at least semi-utopian state armed only with the knowledge that we are all parts of a cosmic whole and our fate could indeed be well within our collective grasp.That the people of this planet should choose instead to continue to insist that we should measure one another according to the aforementioned material properties as well as what they can do for their personal interests makes my sad when I think of all the work that people such as Martin Luther King,Gandhi and George Harrison did to counter this miserable perspective.And for those who may ask if I "dare" to equate the works of Harrison with Gandhi,I reply with a most emphatic yes.
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Post by johnharisson on Jul 24, 2013 13:53:34 GMT
Sixties counterculture maintained a great degree of philosophical enlightenment that is woefully lacking in today's highly material and self-interested societies.I just can't understand how things have gotten to the dreadful state in which we live.Back in the days of "All You Need Is Love" and "Give Peace A Chance" there was more than a glimmer of hope and faith that mankind could indeed bring about some sort of at least semi-utopian state armed only with the knowledge that we are all parts of a cosmic whole and our fate could indeed be well within our collective grasp.That the people of this planet should choose instead to continue to insist that we should measure one another according to the aforementioned material properties as well as what they can do for their personal interests makes my sad when I think of all the work that people such as Martin Luther King,Gandhi and George Harrison did to counter this miserable perspective.And for those who may ask if I "dare" to equate the works of Harrison with Gandhi,I reply with a most emphatic yes. Haha very well said. Actually it is a question of timing. Communication technology did not evolve enough untill just recently. Now we have the internet to spread the word and give peace a chance. It seems more and more people start to "wake up", but rest are more asleep than ever --> It is now time for us to keep up the good work of people like George Harrison and Gandhi (and John Lennon etc.). With the internet we can speak the truth without risking our lives, that makes a big difference. We can also reach more people instantly.
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Post by klang on Jul 24, 2013 14:13:44 GMT
Instead of that,people would apparently rather use the technologies for lurid activities such as attracting child molestation victims and identity theft.
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Post by johnharisson on Jul 24, 2013 14:48:28 GMT
Yeah, the internet is currently mostly used for porn and commercial activities... but it could change if each one of us change ourselves in the first place. The Beatles will help us to change As they said in I'll get you: "There is gonna be a time when I'm gonna change your mind."
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 25, 2013 20:18:45 GMT
Yeah, the internet is currently mostly used for porn and commercial activities... but it could change if each one of us change ourselves in the first place. The Beatles will help us to change As they said in I'll get you: "There is gonna be a time when I'm gonna change your mind." The Internet will end up imploding in on itself or result in lock down. Did you read in the news a few weeks ago that the Russian government have purchased loads of manual typewriters in order to go back to typing classified documents rather than type them on a PC. I think it's important that The Beatles should not be taken out of context and held up as some truth, the light and the way. The lyrics to I'll Get You refer to a girl the boy wants but hasn't got yet. Don't read any more than that into them and use their lyrics as a way to change society as we know it. That's just plain wrong.
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Post by Mr Kite on Jul 25, 2013 20:28:00 GMT
Good point Musty .
Interesting how people find different meanings in songs that really 9 times out of ten end up with words that rhyme or just fit the notes nicely . Check out Bowie`s style of writing , cut up some words and just move them around a bit . And remember what that nut job Manson came up with .
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Post by klang on Jul 26, 2013 13:53:39 GMT
Though they certainly weren't any sort of God divine messianic gurus,the Beatles,along with Martin Luther King and certain other elements of 1960's socio-political anti-establishment,at least provided a great glimmer of hope in a world they found to be achingly lacking in the areas of dutiful humanity.The majority of them(obviously cases such as Manson's excepted)were never claiming to be any kind of prophetic deities.They were merely associating their intrinsic humane qualities with the world in hopes that they could facilitate their media conveyances in an effort to unite similar like minded souls en mass so that they might have bonded together against the earth's evil karmic incarnations.Hope and faith.THAT was the message.
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 26, 2013 15:33:18 GMT
That is still completely positioning The Beatles in a place they were never in, especially in their own immediate vicinity. The Beatles treated immediate people around them like crap a lot of the time e.g. Wives and girlfriends, management, recording personnel, even fellow band mates. So you ignore all of that, interpret Beatles songs as some sort of war against evil and then compare them to Martin Luther King? Thats just crazy! The Beatles were an exceptional Rock 'n' Roll band, the best in my view.
The 60's was a movement of peace and love. The Beatles didn't instigate any of it. They reacted to it in their songs.
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Post by johnharisson on Aug 6, 2013 12:29:14 GMT
Yeah, the internet is currently mostly used for porn and commercial activities... but it could change if each one of us change ourselves in the first place. The Beatles will help us to change As they said in I'll get you: "There is gonna be a time when I'm gonna change your mind." The Internet will end up imploding in on itself or result in lock down. Did you read in the news a few weeks ago that the Russian government have purchased loads of manual typewriters in order to go back to typing classified documents rather than type them on a PC. I think it's important that The Beatles should not be taken out of context and held up as some truth, the light and the way. The lyrics to I'll Get You refer to a girl the boy wants but hasn't got yet. Don't read any more than that into them and use their lyrics as a way to change society as we know it. That's just plain wrong. Both John Lennon and Paul McCartney said there is a subliminal message in their songs. Paul said he finds it cool that people find message in his lyrics. Check it for yourself: I suggest you to read the book I linked (and check what is said for yourself rather than rejecting it right away or blindly accept it), at least the section about The Beatles, so we can really talk about it. Labelling it as wrong without knowing what it says do not make any sense.
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Post by johnharisson on Aug 6, 2013 12:31:39 GMT
That is still completely positioning The Beatles in a place they were never in, especially in their own immediate vicinity. The Beatles treated immediate people around them like crap a lot of the time e.g. Wives and girlfriends, management, recording personnel, even fellow band mates. So you ignore all of that, interpret Beatles songs as some sort of war against evil and then compare them to Martin Luther King? Thats just crazy! The Beatles were an exceptional Rock 'n' Roll band, the best in my view. The 60's was a movement of peace and love. The Beatles didn't instigate any of it. They reacted to it in their songs. The "war against evil" was not conscious, they meant to write love songs, but it turns out to be more. It is explained in details here www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/beatles.html
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Post by ranger on Aug 6, 2013 14:43:50 GMT
The Beatles are at their least interesting when they are held up as some kind of guru figures (a fate that seems to fall mainly to John and is often perpetuated by Yoko). The Beatles are at their most interesting when they are a ropey Rock 'n' Roll group eating up the influences of Liverpool, Hamburg and the Rock 'n' Roll greats (Jerry Lee, Gene, Chuck, Eddie, Billy, Larry, Carl etc. etc.) in the 50s and early 60s.
My favourite image of Lennon (never photographed to my knowledge) is of him walking down a street in Hamburg circa 1960 with a toilet seat around his neck pretending to be Hitler. Yet I find it hard to suppress a yawn when thinking of his 'Imagine'/New York/1970s persona.
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Post by Amadeus on Aug 6, 2013 15:31:13 GMT
I agree about the 'Imagine' thing. If there was a pic of the toilet seat event, one source said that Epstein made sure that one never saw the light of day. So it may have existed but maybe not anymore. When you listen to the STAR CLUB tapes, there are some heils and a 'cha-cha-cha for Hitler' announced.
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Post by johnharisson on Aug 6, 2013 15:47:31 GMT
Again, nobody said they were some kind of Guru figures, you should really read what I wrote more carefuly, and check out the book I linked.
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Post by mrmustard on Aug 6, 2013 18:27:56 GMT
The opening paragraph to the website......
Prophets: Most people think all the prophets lived hundreds of years ago, but the truth is, there have been many recent prophets. Some have been in show business and the arts. Let me tell you about four of the most powerful.
No here are some definitions of the word prophet.....
1. (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) a person who supposedly speaks by divine inspiration, esp one through whom a divinity expresses his will Related adj vatic 2. a person who predicts the future a prophet of doom 3. a spokesman for a movement, doctrine, etc. 4. (Christian Churches, other) Christian Science a. a seer in spiritual matters b. the vanishing of material sense to give way to the conscious facts of spiritual truth [from Old French prophète, from Latin prophēta, from Greek prophētēs one who declares the divine will, from pro-2 + phanai to speak]
Which one applies to The Beatles?
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Post by ROCKY on Aug 6, 2013 19:32:00 GMT
I think John answered all this quite well in this video. Yep, he had a good shit that morning he wrote 'I'll Get You'.. lol
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Post by Mr Kite on Aug 6, 2013 20:03:20 GMT
I think that sorts that debate out Rocky .
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Post by johnharisson on Aug 7, 2013 10:44:54 GMT
The opening paragraph to the website...... Prophets: Most people think all the prophets lived hundreds of years ago, but the truth is, there have been many recent prophets. Some have been in show business and the arts. Let me tell you about four of the most powerful.No here are some definitions of the word prophet..... 1. (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) a person who supposedly speaks by divine inspiration, esp one through whom a divinity expresses his will Related adj vatic 2. a person who predicts the future a prophet of doom 3. a spokesman for a movement, doctrine, etc. 4. (Christian Churches, other) Christian Science a. a seer in spiritual matters b. the vanishing of material sense to give way to the conscious facts of spiritual truth [from Old French prophète, from Latin prophēta, from Greek prophētēs one who declares the divine will, from pro-2 + phanai to speak] Which one applies to The Beatles? None, it is explained in the next sentence: " The Beatles themselves were like other men, but the music and lyrics channeled through them contained magic and messages from beyond the mind." It has nothing to do with religion or predicting the future, it is just that their music and lyrics help reveal the truth of life... even if they did not meant it. It is explained in details in that book.
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