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Post by The End on Jan 23, 2012 23:25:20 GMT
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THE MEMBER "BEATLESATTHIERBEST" HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR TWICE POSTING PERSONAL DATA ON THE FORUM DESPITE BEING WARNED. HIS REMOVAL FROM THE FORUM IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO THE CONTENT OF HIS POSTS AND THIS DISCUSSION TOPIC REMAINS OPEN.
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Post by ROCKY on Jan 24, 2012 0:33:56 GMT
Actually The End you have my vote to remove this whole thread if you want. For there is nothing of value in saving it as far as I am concerned, but that is up to you. Just thought I'd let you know my 2 cents worth. I think you have a good Forum here and I enjoy coming over and reading and talking with others about without question the greatest musical group of all-time. Adios amigo.
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Post by The End on Jan 24, 2012 1:01:12 GMT
LOL Thanks Rocky
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Post by wozza62 on Jan 24, 2012 9:34:01 GMT
Oh dear. I bet it's not the first forum he's been booted from.
The thing I don't understand in this argument by Beatlesattheirbest is this.
If Neil Aspinall was one of Pete's best mates and at the time was the father of his half brother and Pete Best was the "star of the group"
Why did Neil Aspinall stick with the Beatles when Best was sacked instead of going on to bigger and better things with the star of the band?
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 24, 2012 11:03:48 GMT
PLEASE NOTE: THE MEMBER "BEATLESATTHIERBEST" HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR TWICE POSTING PERSONAL DATA ON THE FORUM DESPITE BEING WARNED. HIS REMOVAL FROM THE FORUM IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO THE CONTENT OF HIS POSTS AND THIS DISCUSSION TOPIC REMAINS OPEN. AL To print someone else's personal details on any public form is unacceptable and morally wrong. This is the right decision to remove this member. It's right that the rest of the thread remains in my view as well.
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Post by Amadeus on Jan 24, 2012 13:41:43 GMT
If Neil Aspinall was one of Pete's best mates and at the time was the father of his half brother and Pete Best was the "star of the group" Why did Neil Aspinall stick with the Beatles when Best was sacked instead of going on to bigger and better things with the star of the band? Because Neil knew where his bread was buttered. He liked The Beatles and liked his job. He lived at Hayman's Green until 1968 and for some time after Pete was sacked, The Beatles still stored equipment at the house. The Beatles were never in touch with Pete but apparently still had contact with Mona. Lennon sent the trophy that's on the Sgt Pepper cover (beside the "L" in Beatles) to Mona as a gift. Mona lent Lennon her father's war medals for use on the Sgt Pepper photo shoot. If you look at all the photos from that shoot, you can see them. The only place they're visible on the actual cover is on the back photo where Paul's back is visible. All this is according to Roag (with Rory and Pete) in his excellent book, The Beatles; The True Beginnings. So it seems that there was Beatles contact with the Best mum until at least '68 when her and Neil split. So it wasn't a complete and sudden divorce from the Best family.
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 24, 2012 13:50:44 GMT
If Neil Aspinall was one of Pete's best mates and at the time was the father of his half brother and Pete Best was the "star of the group" Why did Neil Aspinall stick with the Beatles when Best was sacked instead of going on to bigger and better things with the star of the band? Because Neil knew where his bread was buttered. He liked The Beatles and liked his job. He lived at Hayman's Green until 1968 and for some time after Pete was sacked, The Beatles still stored equipment at the house. The Beatles were never in touch with Pete but apparently still had contact with Mona. Lennon sent the trophy that's on the Sgt Pepper cover (beside the "L" in Beatles) to Mona as a gift. Mona lent Lennon her father's war medals for use on the Sgt Pepper photo shoot. If you look at all the photos from that shoot, you can see them. The only place they're visible on the actual cover is on the back photo where Paul's back is visible. All this is according to Roag (with Rory and Pete) in his excellent book, The Beatles; The True Beginnings. So it seems that there was Beatles contact with the Best mum until at least '68 when her and Neil split. So it wasn't a complete and sudden divorce from the Best family. Funny Beatlesattheirbest didn't mention this Amadeus! Why didn't you add this to the thread yourself before he became an ex-member?
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Post by Amadeus on Jan 24, 2012 14:53:47 GMT
I dunno. I just thought that most Beatles fans (especially Best fans) would've had the book. Or at least seen it or done enough research to be aware of it's existence and the gist of it's contents. I mentioned the book right from the outset of this whole circus. In the off chance that all concerned here would investigate. Indeed, someone who is doing a film! about Pete Best should know about this book. But he didn't mention anything about the rest of the family, he was just doing a film about the Beatles treatment of Pete etc etc, so I didn't mention it.
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 24, 2012 20:43:44 GMT
I wasn't criticising you Amadeus. It just really surprised me that someone who appeared to know so much about Pete Best did not mention these facts. I suppose that is the point though. If true, Mona loaning John medals so long after the sacking would hardly add weight to his argument. Mona was probably the loudest protestor over the sacking, more so than Pete.
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Post by Amadeus on Jan 25, 2012 0:13:55 GMT
Mona was louder than Pete. However:
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 25, 2012 0:33:05 GMT
Well, there you have it. Quite astonishing really. Thanks for posting that.
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 22, 2012 21:09:04 GMT
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Post by The End on Jul 22, 2012 21:56:45 GMT
Have you watched his film yet? Talk about twisting things to fit an agenda!!! There's actually a quote from John Lennon in it that blows the film maker's theory right out of the water - aprox 14 minutes in, John says "we were always going to dump him when we could find a decent drummer." And I'm pretty sure the sound clip in the film has been edited too as I seem to recall John saying a even more on the subject. You can watch it here: www.theultimatetrip.net/EDIT: I found John's full quote which was from the Imagine film: "By then, we were pretty sick of Pete Best too, because he was a lousy drummer, you know? He never improved, and there was always this myth being built up over the years that he was great... We were always going to dump him when we could find a decent drummer”
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 22, 2012 22:04:03 GMT
Yes, I watched it last night. It was Mrs Mustard who spotted the comment on the Liverpool Echo site. You're right, that comment blows it right out the water. One wonders why he left that in. He took so much stock in the other Lennon quote 'we were at our best in the clubs of Liverpool and Hamburg....' which doesn't really add any weight to his argument at all. The quote doesn't imply anything about Pete Best.
Edit (just in case anyone thought I was underhandedly changing my post!):
The really odd thing was 5 years following the sacking of Pete Best, John asks Mona for a loan of her Dads war medals for the Sgt Pepper photo shoot!
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Post by The End on Jul 22, 2012 22:10:20 GMT
It's absolutely infuriating how he's twisted their decision to stop touring to fit his argument!
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Post by Amadeus on Jul 22, 2012 23:47:41 GMT
EDIT: I found John's full quote which was from the Imagine film: "By then, we were pretty sick of Pete Best too, because he was a lousy drummer, you know? He never improved, and there was always this myth being built up over the years that he was great... We were always going to dump him when we could find a decent drummer” Just listen to the drumming in "My Bonnie" and all the Tony Sheridan stuff (1961)and listen to the drumming on the Decca stuff and the June EMI session on Anthology (1962) And then listen to Ringo on the "Star Club" stuff (1962) and the tight drumming on the early singles and first two albums. In fact, just compare "My Bonnie" to "Please, Please Me". It's very obvious who the better drummer is. The trauma of being let go after 2 years on the cusp of world fame is still real however.
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Post by The End on Jul 23, 2012 18:52:18 GMT
EDIT: I found John's full quote which was from the Imagine film: "By then, we were pretty sick of Pete Best too, because he was a lousy drummer, you know? He never improved, and there was always this myth being built up over the years that he was great... We were always going to dump him when we could find a decent drummer” Just listen to the drumming in "My Bonnie" and all the Tony Sheridan stuff (1961)and listen to the drumming on the Decca stuff and the June EMI session on Anthology (1962) And then listen to Ringo on the "Star Club" stuff (1962) and the tight drumming on the early singles and first two albums. In fact, just compare "My Bonnie" to "Please, Please Me". It's very obvious who the better drummer is. The trauma of being let go after 2 years on the cusp of world fame is still real however. Yep, you're preaching to the choir here I think most of us would agree that Pete's sacking was poorly handled but there is no doubting who the best drummer was... unless your name happens to be Shaun Phillips, who has a completely blinkered, twisted view on the subject!
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Post by ROCKY on Jul 23, 2012 21:02:50 GMT
I think Pete must have put up a big stink and burned all his bridges with Brian at that meeting they had because after the Beatles made it I'm sure Brian, with his large stable of groups, would have had a place for Pete in one of those groups.
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Post by Mr Kite on Jul 23, 2012 21:56:23 GMT
Sorry I`m late. I have a few questions . That Chap Beatles Best said that Beatlemania started in 1960 ? It did`nt did it . 1963 me thinks 2. George Martin a man who knows his bacon got a session drummer to replace Pete ,, Not Ringo ? 3. Massive band in 2 cities ? A red light street and a Damp cellar ? massive . 4. Beatles at their best ? with Pete . Not 1966/ 70 .?
It`s late and I have just spent ages reading the posts so . Sorry if I have some facts wrong ,
And as for 50 odd years ago !
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 23, 2012 22:24:43 GMT
I think Pete must have put up a big stink and burned all his bridges with Brian at that meeting they had because after the Beatles made it I'm sure Brian, with his large stable of groups, would have had a place for Pete in one of those groups. Well he got Pete into Lee Curtis and the All Stars who were managed by Brian's friend Joe Flannery. I don't think there was room for Pete in Brian's stable of bands to be fair. I mean he was hardly going to replace Johnny Hutchinson from the Big Three was he. If anyone could claim the best drummer in Liverpool it was Hutch. Freddie Marsden was a pretty good drummer and obviously Gerrys brother so that was out. The Remo Four - well they once blew the Shadows off the stage at the Cavern (Hank Marvin admitted as much when once interviewed). Their drummer, Roy Dyke, went on to be a noted rock drummer. There where some really great Drummers in Liverpool in the early 60's who went on to be well know rock drummers. Ainsley Dunbar from the Mojos went on to play in many a famous band; John Mayalls Bluesbreakers, Jeff Beck Group, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, Whitesnake, Journey, Michael Schenker Group. Pete was always going to struggle to get into another good band given the amount of brilliant drummers around Liverpool at the time together with the fact he was very limited as a drummer.
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