Glass Onion
I'll Be On My Way
Arriving somewhere, but not here
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Post by Glass Onion on Jan 10, 2017 14:35:32 GMT
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Post by Mr Kite on Jan 23, 2017 22:50:51 GMT
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Post by Mr Kite on Feb 6, 2017 22:33:21 GMT
The man talking about Floyd , The Beatles and explains to his mum why he`ll never be on X Factor
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 10, 2017 22:35:44 GMT
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 18, 2017 17:20:25 GMT
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Post by Fiendish Thingy on Mar 25, 2017 15:05:01 GMT
Anderson, Wakeman & Rabin
Mr Kite,
Re: your Shoutbox message. Although Steve Howe was the quintessential Yes guitarist (and a fine one at that) Trevor Rabin is equally as talented and although (and obviously) he will be compared to Howe, he's an awesome guitarist in his own right. Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman need no introduction. By the way, Lee Pomeroy (bass) and Louis Molino III (drums) - he's played on a Julian Lennon song - compliment the main three amazingly.
It remains for me to say I hope you will enjoy the show. Give us some feedback after seeing them tonight.
Regards, Fiendish Thingy
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 26, 2017 10:28:36 GMT
Hello F.T. ! Great show last night And Mr Musty has one hell of a story to tell and I hope he lets you in on it . Yes , I guess there is going to be the comparison between Howe and Rabin I have seen Howe many times , but this was my first time I`ve seen Rabin But I have to say that Howe is way out there a far better when it comes to playing classic Yes Of course when he played "his" Yes tunes it worked Howe is on the finest Prog albums that have graced the ..Prog world ! I have a hell of respect for Rabin as I think this man brought back Yes from extinction and got them through the dark times of the 80`s which was a miracle in it`s self As for the show ! A great set with classic Yes songs from I`ve Seen All Good People Heart Of The Sunrise , Awaken , And You And I A tribute to Chris with Long Distance Runaround and it was interwoven with Fish Bass Solo A few from the Rabin era Opening up with Cinema and very happy they played Changes , and we got Rythem Of Love and Lift Me Up from the Union album Encore was of course Roundabout The entire show was being filmed last night so lets hope there will be a DVD out very soon ! I just hope that Mr Musty tells his story A.S.A.P ! A debate that was brewing on my meet up with Mr Musty and Sunny Is Division Bell a worthy Floyd album or is it a Gilmour solo album
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Post by Fiendish Thingy on Mar 26, 2017 11:36:05 GMT
Hello F.T. ! Great show last night And Mr Musty has one hell of a story to tell and I hope he lets you in on it . Yes , I guess there is going to be the comparison between Howe and Rabin I have seen Howe many times , but this was my first time I`ve seen Rabin But I have to say that Howe is way out there a far better when it comes to playing classic Yes Of course when he played "his" Yes tunes it worked Howe is on the finest Prog albums that have graced the ..Prog world ! I have a hell of respect for Rabin as I think this man brought back Yes from extinction and got them through the dark times of the 80`s which was a miracle in it`s self As for the show ! A great set with classic Yes songs from I`ve Seen All Good People Heart Of The Sunrise , Awaken , And You And I A tribute to Chris with Long Distance Runaround and it was interwoven with Fish Bass Solo A few from the Rabin era Opening up with Cinema and very happy they played Changes , and we got Rythem Of Love and Lift Me Up from the Union album Encore was of course Roundabout The entire show was being filmed last night so lets hope there will be a DVD out very soon ! I just hope that Mr Musty tells his story A.S.A.P ! A debate that was brewing on my meet up with Mr Musty and Sunny Is Division Bell a worthy Floyd album or is it a Gilmour solo album Thanks for that Mr. Kite. I'm pleased you enjoyed the show. The tribute to Chris Squire was quite fitting as I think he excelled on 'Long Distance Runaround'. In fact on the whole of Fragile he displayed some of his best playing. 'Heart Of The Sunrise' is just a wonderful piece of music. I can't wait to hear Mr Musty's story.
On the debate regarding The Division Bell, you could reasonably assume that it's predecessor A Momentary Lapse Of Reason was also a Gilmour solo album which was the first album without Waters (and it showed). I don't subscribe to The Division Bell being a Gilmour solo album. It's Pink Floyd, no more, no less. Gilmour, Mason and Wright were all active musical participants on the album although Wright at the time of recording wasn't a contractual member of the band. He also co-wrote a few of the songs with Gilmour. I know that Gilmour was predominantly the main man, playing a lot of the instrumentation and even had a lot to do with production together with Bob Ezrin - but for me that doesn't make it a Gilmour solo album. Is it a worthy Floyd album? My own thoughts are that it's weak compared to other Floyd albums and although Gilmour is an astonishing guitarist, he seems to ramble his way through the whole album. Also, in my opinion, there are no stand out tracks on the album. No, not anywhere near a worthy Floyd album, but nevertheless it is essentially a Floyd album.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 26, 2017 23:21:19 GMT
Well what a show ARW put on last night. It was a priveledge to be present. I have to say, first off, Anderson was in fantastic vocal form. I would go so far to say it's the best I've heard him sing live. It was effortless. You always know Wakeman is going to do the business but there where moments in certain songs like Heart Of The Sunrise, Awaken, And You And I that even he surpassed himself. I suppose I was really looking to see how Rabin was going to perform. It's got to be said that Rabin has not performed live for a very, very long time. 25 years perhaps on this scale. For me he delivered, vocally as well as guitar. I agree with Mr Kite that the only guitar player who can play the guitar parts that Steve Howe originally played and wrote is Steve Howe. That goes without saying. However Rabin puts his take on it and that's exactly what I was expecting and hoped for. I didn't want him to copy Howe's parts because that isn't the point. When he played his own Yes songs he totally delivered. It's funny how so many people say Rabin cannot emulate Howe's playing when Howe cannot even be arsed to play a Rabin Yes song other than the lamest, half arsed version of Owner Of A Lonely Heart.
What I saw last night was the real deal, the real Yes. Not a bunch of mercenaries. ARW showed genuine joy of playing. It wasn't a pay day, they wanted to be there for the love of the music. I don't see that with 'Yes'. Sure, Howe is perfection (on his own Yes songs) but other than that there are problems with the current 'Yes' line up that simply aren't there with ARW. For a start you've got Geoff Downes. He's simply not a patch on Wakeman. When I hear 'Yes' with Downes I hear a wall of sound with no discernible playing. I won't make comparisons with bass and drums other than to say White is now effectively finished due to ill health. When that is complete there is no way Yes can be called 'Yes'. It's the Steve Howe band.
The most compounding factor is Jon Anderson. He is the pure soul of Yes. If he is not singing then it's not Yes. Jon Davison is simply not Jon Anderson yet he tries so hard to be and fails by a mile. I'd rather he just be himself rather than attempting to emulate Anderson.
It's End Game. 'Yes' should be quaking in their boots as ARW are the real deal and show the essence of Yes. When new material emerges from ARW and White is completely unable to play then it's all over.
The 'story' is to follow. I just needed to get that off my chest!
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Post by Fiendish Thingy on Mar 27, 2017 10:52:13 GMT
Thanks Mr Mustard for that fine review. I agree with everything you say regarding 'Yes'.
I await your anecdote with baited breath!
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 27, 2017 12:29:33 GMT
So, 'the story'. The Sun King (another Forum member) booked our ARW tickets nearly a year ago. I randomly booked a hotel for us to stay in on the night of the show. On arrival at the hotel there was Trevor Rabin outside on his phone. Inside the hotel in reception there's Lee Pomeroy whom we had a chat with and he introduced us to his wife which was nice. The Sun King had his photo taken with him. It suddenly dawned on us that the whole band could be staying at our hotel and then low and behold Rick Wakeman saunters in. He was by himself so we asked for a photo. To be honest he looked knackered and wasn't up for a photo. We checked in then got in the lift to go to our room only to be sharing the lift with Rick. Just the three of us, so we had brief chat. After unpacking and freshening up in our room we decided to have a drink in the hotel bar. Whilst waiting to be served we looked round to see Jon Anderson and his wife having a drink. We didn't want to disturb them so we sat down and then Trevor Rabin walks in with his wife and sits down next to us and ordered a pint. Again we didn't want to disturb them. It was pretty surreal; Jon on one side of us and Trevor on the other! Then Jon goes to the bar by himself so we took our opportunity to say hello and ask for a photo. He happily obliged, shook our hands and we had a brief chat. Either The Sun King or I where going to have to take the photo but Jon insisted we were all in it together and to do a selfie. Someone walked passed and offered to take it instead. People say you shouldn't meet your heroes as they will most likely disappoint. Jon didn't disappoint at all. He was totally gracious and was genuinely happy to meet us, chat and have his photo taken with us. We never got the opportunity to chat and get a photo with Trevor which was a shame but we don't like being intrusive. Then in the night was the show and that was awesome. All in all a fantastic and very memorable day! Here's the photo of The Sun King and I with Jon. [img src=" i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae297/mrmustardphotos/IMG_5254.jpg" src=" " alt=" "]
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Post by pothos on Mar 27, 2017 16:07:27 GMT
I always loved the work he did with Vangelis.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 27, 2017 22:22:14 GMT
Jon's new age day-glo sneakers.
It's a very contentious argument, these bands with or without key members. First, the Pink Floyd thing: Division Bell is more a Pink Floyd album simply because all three of them were involved in it's creation and I think 'Poles Apart' and 'High Hopes' are stand out tracks but over all it just doesn't hang together like the 'classics' do with a beginning, middle and end. A Momentary Lapse of Reason is modeled more after a 'classic' Floyd template but it was basically Gilmour and half of the western world's session musicians and co-writers. Waters at the time called it a clever forgery of a PF album but not the real thing. Momentary Lapse... sounds like Floyd but isn't Division Bell...is Floyd but doesn't sound like it.
Now for YES. Jon Anderson needs to be the voice of YES but I always argue that DRAMA sounds more like YES than 90125 does. I consider those 3 LPs done without Jon as being YES simply because that's the name on it but there is definitely diminishing returns by the time of Heaven And Earth. When I got the ABWH album in '89, even though it wasn't YES, except that they look and sound like them, i stuck them in my record rack right in the YES section, no question. But basically over the years YES has been several different bands and I just go along with that. Yes '69 is a very different band to YES '73 but they're still YES. I still enjoy it. Even 90125 and TALK are very good YES albums even though I can't hear them as YES albums the same way I hear DRAMA as a YES album.
Also I agree. Jon Davison is trying to be Jon Anderson and it can be a bit embarrassing. Trevor Horn, or Benoit David played themselves alright. Same with Trevor Rabin. There is no right answer.
Which of the many Deep Purple bands is Deep Purple? Gillan and Glover? Why not Evans and Simper who predated them? Or Coverdale and Hughs who weren't too bad? Is the current lineup Deep Purple? Without Blackmore and Lord?
I'm off to listen to Fly From Here, Come Taste The Band and Delicate Sound Of Thunder.
Stoke me a clipper. I'll be back before Christmas.
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Post by Fiendish Thingy on Mar 28, 2017 14:43:22 GMT
Mr Mustard - That's a great story about your escapades in Manchester for the AWR concert. Jon looks well and I'm pleased you and Sun King got to talk with him and some of the other band members. I like your review of the gig too. All in all, a memorable day/night.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 28, 2017 14:48:50 GMT
I think it's more than reasonable to say that Rabin almost single handedly revived Yes and rescued them from definite extinction. Something Howe appears to not want to acknowledge.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 29, 2017 22:29:14 GMT
Just snagged an ARW recording of their Holland show last night. I'll check it out tonight and give a review of this particular YES band.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 30, 2017 14:37:17 GMT
It's tomorrow now. Brilliant show! That was a YES concert. With all due respect to Geoffry Downes and Steve Howe, they could just as easily be doing ASIA with the same group of musicians but with ARW, these guys span YES from beginning to,,,, well, most of it. The three of them obviously have a great love for each other and play for the joy of the interaction between themselves. The bass player was wonderful. The Fish was a nice combination between the LP version and the Yessongs version without being too pretentious. The drum solo was more like Neil Peart than Bruford or White but then I wouldn't have wanted him to pretend to be someone else. The main 3 were in fine form and even though their voices sounded close to being in their 60s, it was a performance amoung friends. A nice selection of songs from The YES Album up to Union. Jon acknowledges that Wakeman calls it Onion 'cos everytime he hears it he cries. And a killer monster version of Awaken with an epic ...Lonely Heart/Make It Easy and Roundabout encore. That was the last show of the tour and I understand that some of the tour was filmed so maybe there will be a DVD somewhere in the future. Now they need to make an album!
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Post by mrmustard on Apr 1, 2017 12:55:49 GMT
Glad you liked the show Amadeus. The love of it definitely comes across. You don't see that with the other band. I agree the other band could basically go out as Asia. I mean when it comes to songs that aren't off Drama, what's the point of Downes.
The show Mr Kite and I went to was filmed.
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Post by Mr Kite on Apr 8, 2017 19:00:51 GMT
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Post by mrmustard on Apr 9, 2017 19:36:24 GMT
All sounds a pretty torrid affair between the two Yes camps. Howe's just got a massive chip on his shoulder and Sherwood is publicly slagging off Wakeman. If anyone was in any hope that there would be some sort of reunion then they are going to be sorely disappointed. It's Yes (official) and Yes featuring Anderson Rabin and Wakeman for good now. And that's official!
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