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Post by Mr Kite on Aug 9, 2015 16:22:19 GMT
I never really take any interest when people come out with silly statements about the finest piece of Music in the history of mankind 99.9 times out of a 100 it`s normally to plug a new album or a book etc . But Richards has come out with Pepper being Rubbish and shit . When I saw this on the Internet I just thought he was just plugging some new wheelchair or whiskey or another Pirates film . But hey ! A new album ! . I know that it is done in "context" or whatever but he is calling the band that got him a label in the first place . Can`t wait to hear it so I can nod and say "Well as I bloody guessed , it`s rubbish and shit ! ." www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/interviews/a36899/keith-richards-interview-0915/
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Post by mrmustard on Aug 9, 2015 17:00:29 GMT
Yes I read this. Total arse. Clearly he was thinking 'now what's something really controversial I can say to get my new album some publicity?'
In my humble opinion, Keef is the most overrated guitar player ever and definitely the Stones ever had. Jones, Wood and especially Mick Taylor where streets ahead of him. So it's even more of a ridiculous comment.
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Post by brewmaster on Aug 9, 2015 17:52:37 GMT
I agree. Funny enough, we talked about that at our RSATH meet last week. I've always regarded the 'Stones as imposters.
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Post by ROCKY on Aug 9, 2015 19:07:34 GMT
Yep I also agree with you guys. I did like them when Brian was with them, then they quickly squeezed him out of the group and I blame them for what happened to him. Never liked them as a group or Mick & Keith as human beings after that.
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Post by pothos on Aug 9, 2015 22:06:15 GMT
I have never under stood people slagging off the Beatles or their Lp's. They covered so many musical angles that if you open your ears you find something. Always puzzled at musicians having a go at each other.
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Post by ROCKY on Aug 9, 2015 23:23:48 GMT
Always puzzled at musicians having a go at each other. I just thought about that and I think every band that ever was there were fights in the band between one another. And with single artists it seems that if their popularity is sagging that's the first thing they think of to get back into the spotlight is to pick a fight with another artist. lol
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Post by Bongo on Aug 12, 2015 19:26:40 GMT
I say, Stamp Out The Beatles........
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Post by Amadeus on Aug 13, 2015 0:27:35 GMT
I say, Stamp Out The Beatles........ You wot? Brian/George/Patti/Dhani
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Post by henryj on Aug 15, 2015 3:07:38 GMT
Before clicking on the link I figured it had to do with pressuring the Stones to come out with Their Satanic Majesties Request, which was the Stones being something other than the Stones.
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Post by brewmaster on Oct 19, 2015 9:30:19 GMT
I've just heard "It's all over now" on the radio, and the thing that struck me was Jagger's phony American accent. Mark Lewinsohn made the point that in the very first amateur recording of The Quarrymen, John sounded like himself; he never tried to put on an accent. That authenticity is the difference between the two groups.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 19, 2015 11:29:23 GMT
I've just heard "It's all over now" on the radio, and the thing that struck me was Jagger's phony American accent. Mark Lewinsohn made the point that in the very first amateur recording of The Quarrymen, John sounded like himself; he never tried to put on an accent. That authenticity is the difference between the two groups. I agree, plus the fact the Beatles had better original songs and better singers.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 19, 2015 13:04:15 GMT
The Rolling Stones were simply copy cats. If you look at just the lp release dates and covers you will see:
With the Beatles 11-22-63 Stones First 5 months later. Beatles 2nd Album 4-10-64 Stones 12x5 6 months later Beatles Something New 7-20-64 Stones Now 7 months later Beatles For Sale 12-4-64 Stones Now a month later Beatles VI 6-14-65 Stones Out Of Our Heads a month later Beatles Rubber Soul 12-3-65 Stones December Children a day later Beatles Yesterday & Today 6-20-66 Stones Aftermath a couple of months before Beatles Revolver 8-5-66 Stones Between The Buttons 5 months later Beatles Sgt. Pepper 6-1-67 Stones Satanic Magesties Request 6 months later Beatles MMT 11-27-67 Stones Satanic M R a month later Beatles White LP 11-22-68 Stones Beggers Banquet a month later Beatles Yellow Sub 1-17-69 Stones (nothing) Beatles Abbey Road 9-26-69 Stones Let It Bleed 3 months later Beatles Let It Be 5-8-70(delayed release from early '69) Stones had Let It Bleed 12-5-69 (after they found out what the title was going to be for the Beatles lp)
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 19, 2015 13:47:00 GMT
I say, Stamp Out The Beatles........ ...and I say STAMP OUT THE STONES!lol Does anybody sell those t-shirts?
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Post by pothos on Oct 19, 2015 22:15:16 GMT
Mr Richards has also had a go at Led Zeppelin and The Who over recent weeks. My argument is that all three of those bands were way more adventurous and took massive creative risks. I do not dislike the Stones but the majority of their output fits a signature sound while the other three could shock you with something out of the blue. By the way lovely interview with Ray Davies today and he seemed to have a lot of time for the Beatles and how they were managed. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06h3lb2
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 30, 2015 12:14:53 GMT
John vs. Keith. I think John gives a good analysis of Mick & the Stones, exactly what I thought back then and still do. Keith looks like he doesn't know what to say because he knows what John said is true. lol So he just makes something up to get back.
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Post by brewmaster on Oct 30, 2015 12:56:23 GMT
That's a great interview by John, with his usual non-pc views. I think he is spot-on, and it was about time that someone put the Stones in their place. Thanks Rocky, that made my day!
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Post by Mr Kite on Oct 30, 2015 19:50:51 GMT
Great post Rocky !
I thought I`d give ol` Keith`s new songs a listen . Well this one is basically I Can`t Get No Satisfaction riff 50 years on
My opinion . Rubbish and shit .
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Post by pothos on Oct 30, 2015 23:26:11 GMT
See I do not get this. The Beatles were trailblazers. They kicked the door in for everyone else; set song writing standards and still showed flashes of brilliance in their solo work. Coming Up and Blow Away were nearly ten years after the demise of the band and I still think Lennon had many great projects in him.
Personally; I think Led Zeppelin, The Who and The Kinks all pushed the boundaries more than The Stones who although tracks like Gimmie Shelter I like immensely seem to have plateaued while the others really progressed as musicians and songwriters.
I think the industry would still be terrified of Lennon today.
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Post by brewmaster on Oct 31, 2015 11:01:30 GMT
Another gripe about Jagger is that he ruined an otherwise great movie:
The film is a good, British gangster story, until Mick appears and starts his weird capering. In the movie Chas [played by James Fox, one of England's leading stars at the time] is hiding out in a rambling house occupied by Jagger and his disciples. They blow his mind on drugs and his enemies catch him. In real life, Jagger and his friends wrecked Fox's head to the point that he gave up acting for over ten years.
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Post by brewmaster on Apr 30, 2020 8:46:33 GMT
In today's Daily Mail columnist Craig Brown has a very interesting piece: Better than the Fab Four - who's taking the Mick in which he echoes much of what has been discussed above. Snippets include:-'John went bananas about all the publicity the Stones were getting for being rough,' recalled Bill Harry, editor of Mersey Beat. 'He knew the Stones were middle-class boys from the Home Counties, not leather-jacketed Teds at all.' "As the years rolled by, John also grew irritated by Mick Jagger's apparent tendency to pinch ideas from The Beatles. In 1967, he complained that the Stones' We Love You was a copy of The Beatles All You Need Is Love, and that the Stones' new psychedelic album Their Satanic Majesties Request was a copy of Sgt Pepper. 'They are not in the same class, music-wise or power-wise, never were,' he told an interviewer. George Harrison went along with John's view that Mick was a copy-cat. 'Mick Jagger was always lurking in the background, trying to find out what was happening,' he said, adding: 'Mick never wanted to miss out on what The Beatles were doing.' Much of the article is taken from Craig Brown's One Two Three Four: The Beatles in Time. I'm midway through the book and am enjoying the read enormously.
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