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Post by heybulldog on Apr 13, 2013 17:16:09 GMT
I am curious to find out what Form members make of the Stones Proposed Hyde Park Gig. I mean it's great that they can still perform after all these years. What bothers me was the original gig in 1969 was free, tickets for this one have been advertised at £300. Some of last years 50th anniversary concerts were said to be going at £4000. At these types of prices it is well beyond the budget of the ordinary fan. After a lifetime in the business and having made a good living out of it, do they really need the money that much? Are they not becoming a parody of what they originally were? Seen as stereotypical fat old greedy rock stars?
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Post by mrmustard on Apr 13, 2013 18:05:56 GMT
They are taking the piss out of their fans and the public. The irony is they are not very good live anymore. Keith Richards can barely play and is more interested in posing than playing. Mick is still a great frontman. Charlie is an adequate drummer. Ronnie Wood is well past his sell by date too. It's criminal they are allowed to get away with this.
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Post by Mr Kite on Apr 13, 2013 23:05:23 GMT
I just think it`s the sign of the times . Concerts have turned into corperate money making machines . Real fans don`t get a chance of a decent seat anymore the first rows of tickets are already sold to the "Executive sellers who stick a hundred quid on the seats . Gone are the days when it was a oppertunity for the real fans to que and in some cases camp all night to get the best seats .
As for the Stones They were passed it live when I saw them in 82. Over 30 years ago ! They`re just living off the reputation of being the best live band in the world , when was that 69/70. Sad to see that they still need exploit there fans after most casual Stone fans gave up on them a long time ago (Me).
I guess it come down to the crunch .
Do you really want to pay a fortune to see them from a few mile away , when you may as well wait for the DVD . I stopped along time ago seeing bands just for the" Brand Name " I want to go to a gig to see a great live show and not watch a large screen in a middle of a field . The best shows are at the smaller venues these days , afordable tickets, stand where you want and watch a band play music to an audience that are there for the music and not for the Hype .
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Post by The Sun King on Apr 14, 2013 2:49:06 GMT
I agree with everything that's been said. But you have to remember this is a band who have been going for 50 yrs. Second only to the Beatles regarding world wide fame. Yes they are trading off past reputations,but this is last chance saloon for music fans to see one of the most Iconic Rock N roll bands ever. Yes they are taking the piss with prices of £300 per ticket. But I ask you all this question if the Beatles were still all alive & decided to "Get Back" together for some gigs,I wonder what they could charge. The truth is they could,ve charged what they wanted. I would've payed a small fortune to see them thats for sure. I'm sure the Stones have fans who feel the same.
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Post by ranger on Apr 14, 2013 7:55:14 GMT
Forget what your grandparents used to tell you, in this era of 'public domain' recordings, the rule of thumb is the less you pay, the MORE value and better music you'll get.
Same applies to live music (and sporting events), in fact, anything. Hundreds of pounds to stand in a field to see a group who've been washed up for 40 years.....I don't think so!
Personally, I also boycott any event/release that operates a sharp hierarchy of price. If I can't get the 'Full Monty', I'll be unlikely to purchase the cheap option either (i.e. the re-issue of McCartney's debut LP recently - wasn't going to pay £60 for two or three extra songs, so didn't get the single CD when it was a fiver).
Can you imagine this happening in the 60s? 'The White Album' retailing as a single LP in for £x, but the version we're used to retailing for £10x. There would have been an outcry but, as I'm always hearing, people are more sophisticated now. Yeah, right, sophisticated at being shafted!
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Post by heybulldog on Apr 15, 2013 10:54:48 GMT
Well from what's been said so far no one seems to think that the Stones have much respect for their fans anymore. That's a bit sad though that they have become so complacent that they know they can set any price thet want and they will still sell out. Mr Kite's point about the corporate hospitality aspect is a good one. Are the despised Bankers and Hedge Fund managers now the most important audience for an established rock bank because they can pay the biggest bucks? If this the case it seems to a perversion of the original rock ethos, the music was about teenagers and their lives not orientated towards their dads or their dad's boss. Anyway why is their not a big fuss in the press about the extortionate ticket prices. It's just accepted without criticism. I think if they had set their prices so high when they were touring in the early 80's they would have been hammers for ripping off their fan base. Is the press not interested in sticking up for the orinary fans anymore?
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Post by alix on Apr 21, 2013 19:26:26 GMT
last time i went to a gig in Hyde park it cost me the price of a text message and the postage for the 2 tickets and i got to see Pink Floyd!!! (oh yeah and the Who, Paul McCartney, Elton John, U2 etc etc etc)
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Post by ranger on Apr 23, 2013 6:36:05 GMT
Concert tickets have risen in direct proportion to how worthwhile the gig, or pop music in general, is at that time.
Case in point: The Rolling Stones.
The time to see them was in Ealing or Richmond in 1963. Cost: Half the price of your packet of chips after the gig.
Categorically and absolutely, the time not to see them is 2013. This gig will be about as memorable as any other in Hyde Park in the last 40 years; I'd give examples, but I can't remember them! Cost: A weekend in Paris, three years of cricket at The Oval, a crate of whisky, the best meal in town for two!
Answer: Get 'The London Years' on CD for £10, and listen to it in Paris, or at the cricket, or while drinking the whisky, or at the swankiest restaurant in town.
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Post by heybulldog on Apr 24, 2013 18:42:00 GMT
One gets the impression that the Stones haven't sold this gig to our posters. But then you'd kind of expect that as this is a Beatles Forum!!!
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Post by The Sun King on Apr 26, 2013 4:38:55 GMT
It's not just Beatle forum members, who won't sign up for the Stones concert. It's every day people with normal jobs etc who also aren't interested. Let's face it everyone going to that concert will middle class or at least they think they are. Which everyday music fan can justify or afford to go. The crowd will be full of the Noveau rich who don't care how much they pay. Concerts like this should have concessions for kids the new music lovers. Music fans who will keep the Stones flag flying well into the future. Gigs like these will have the opposite effect & end the Stones Legacy.
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Post by ranger on Apr 27, 2013 18:14:02 GMT
I'm not too sure that anything in the name of The Stones, or The Beatles for that matter, could change their legacies this far removed. In the Stones' case, I'd argue that their legacy has rested entirely on their 60s output for 40 years now anyway.
Not only would I not want to go to this gig, I actually wouldn't want to be SEEN at this gig. Compare that to Richmond circa 1963, could have been standing next to The Beatles!
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Post by ranger on Jun 15, 2013 7:45:59 GMT
The lingering, long drawn out death of the music industry - Part 479.
Latest box set rip off - another Beach Boys box set. No, really! After all it's been two years since the last one.
The £92 box has 6 CDs, each CD retailing at about £15 each, with the requisite dire graphic design (obviously), and with the carrot of 60 or so unreleased tracks from throughout (urgh! only up to 'Smile' please!) their career and, of course, it has all the hits trotted out again. So if you want 'California Girls' for the 66th time, you're in for a treat!
Once they're bought, do any of these sets ever get played? Who buys them?
Never has the maxim 'less is more' been more appropriate.
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