roscoe
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Post by roscoe on Feb 2, 2013 2:53:34 GMT
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Post by roscoe on Feb 2, 2013 2:58:31 GMT
Apologies Roscoe, I found your explanations on page 1 (was such a long time ago I forgot!): For everyone else, Roscoe's summaries are below: Help-- In addition to fading out the track before John's voice fails at the end, there is a bass overload about 30 secs before that. It has been eliminated with a vol modulation at that point. I Saw Her Standing There-- George's solo really blasts out. I have faded it down and then back up at end of solo. Back In USSR-- George's solo has again been faded down and then up. The end has also been faded out early B4 Prudence begins. i altered the input bal during the entire track as the side of the G solo is way to prominent. The bal knob was given a little more during the G solo itself as it really cuts. Only vol modulations were employed in RRv1 Old Brown Shoe. The guitar solo on this has been faded down a bit and then segued back up. The end also has been faded. Let It Be-- To give Georges first lick more presence, I have altered the Bal slightly at that point for a couple of seconds. There is also a Vol surge near the end of this record that has been remedied. Money-- As the mid 8 really blasts out, this track has been faded down slightly and then back up B4 the vocals begin again. In My Life-- the harpsicord solo is very overbearing and has been faded down and then up when it is over Two non Beatle songs are included in the easy catagory. Chuck Berry's Never Can Tell and The Searchers Love Potion # 9. Both of these have had their mid 8's faded down a bit and then back up. Never Can tell has been faded down at the end as well as the Piano blasts out there like it does in the Middle. Beach Boys--- Do It Again. Since I can find no studio stereo version of this classic, I have used the 1968 Live In London version but have faded it out b4 the song strays from the orig at about 1:35. Savoy Truffle-- The fade in of this is very awkward and it has been altered to provide a more even Vol level. The guitar solo has again been faded down slightly and then back up. Baby Its U-- One of the most difficult. The Vol levels have been fade up and down in 4 or 5 different places-- including the mid 8. I Me Mine-- Another very difficult task. The Mid 8 really blasts and has been faded down slightly and then back up. There is also a noticeable Vol surge in the second A section that has been remedied. A fade in of the Mid 8 has been added to make the track 2 1/2 mins. I believe this has been done B4 but only with the Spector version. Martha-- Similar to Savoy Truffle the fade in Vol level on this track is awkward and has been adjusted. I also altered the Bal input slightly during the Fr Horn solo (does anyone know who plays this?) An additional vol modulation has been added after the French horn solo, which like vol 1 received a bal modulation. Mean Mr Mustard/ Poly Pam-- notice the bass overload at the point of seague from Mean to Poly. This has been corrected and Vol level altered slightly in a couple other places. Georges solo has again been faded and the entire track has been faded out to make it end B4 Bathroom begins. Something-- the Grandaddy of them all. This record really is engineered very poorly. Paul's Bass( does anyone know if this is the Rick or the Hofner?) distorts going into the mid 8 and the mid 8 itself is a big mess. The bass also overloads near the end and this has been corrected. I spent about a hundred hours on this track alone. I still do not get why you are remastering Beatles songs based on a personal preference. I mean over-bearing solos (some people like loud solos), blasting middle 8's (what's wrong with that), the thought process involved in the decision that Johns voice fails on Help (technical perfection does not always mean the best take). I could go on but I won't. I am not denying your technical observations or ability but I think what it comes down to is that you assume you are improving on the original production when in fact you are not as you base your observations on personal opinion. This is what I have an issue with. George Martin, Geoff Emerick, Norman Smith and The Beatles (from 1965 onwards) clearly didn't have any concerns with the final product and neither did the rest of the world. They sound better to moi. Thank u for agreeing with my technical observations. The fact is that-- as has become more evident with the 09's-- the mistakes I have noted Were released. MO is that(while this is not an engineering fault) John practically chokes at the end of Help and I prefer not to hear it. It remains to be seen who does or doesn't like the RR's . The first comment above is that they sound good.
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roscoe
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Post by roscoe on Feb 3, 2013 3:23:32 GMT
Just a reminder-- the original inspiration for the RR's began with Something. I got tired of having to reach over & fade the V down & then up again during the mid 8 to eliminate the bass over-blast. It is bad enough that damage to spkrs could be the possible result if listening at high V level.
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 3, 2013 10:50:21 GMT
Just a reminder-- the original inspiration for the RR's began with Something. I got tired of having to reach over & fade the V down & then up again during the mid 8 to eliminate the bass over-blast. It is bad enough that damage to spkrs could be the possible result if listening at high V level. That's ridiculous. I can say in all honesty that thought of lowering the volume during the middle eight of Something has ever entered my head in all the years I have listened to it and my speakers remain undamaged! Are you not familiar with the term 'dynamics'? If your speakers are damaged I suggest you take them back to the shop you bought them from and get a refund. Unless it said in the warranty 'not to be used during the middle 8 of Something.'
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roscoe
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Post by roscoe on Feb 3, 2013 17:20:22 GMT
I did not say that my speakers were damaged. I only speculated that poss harm Could be the result.
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Post by roscoe on Feb 5, 2013 2:22:33 GMT
Just a reminder-- the original inspiration for the RR's began with Something. I got tired of having to reach over & fade the V down & then up again during the mid 8 to eliminate the bass over-blast. It is bad enough that damage to spkrs could be the possible result if listening at high V level. That's ridiculous. I can say in all honesty that thought of lowering the volume during the middle eight of Something has ever entered my head in all the years I have listened to it and my speakers remain undamaged! Are you not familiar with the term 'dynamics'? If your speakers are damaged I suggest you take them back to the shop you bought them from and get a refund. Unless it said in the warranty 'not to be used during the middle 8 of Something.' Pls reread post.-- i said that if one listens at high vols, then it is 'possible' to blow spkrs. Pls forgive me but I am confused because in a prev post u said that u are not denying my technical observations or ability-- thank u. But now u are saying that u have never been compelled to fade the vol during mid 8 of Something. Are u saying that u like the over blast of the mid 8 or that u don't hear it at all? What about U Wont See Me-- Can u hear the high freq interference? I can't imagine anyone would want to hear it.
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roscoe
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Post by roscoe on Feb 5, 2013 17:21:46 GMT
BTW--- if anyone wants to hear some real 'wobble' go to 1:05 of here Comes the Sun. I was thinking of doing an RR with this but the defect is too near the beginning.
Another bad track is While My Guitar Gently Weeps. No tech gliches here-- just an awful, out of tune G solo by Clapton.
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 5, 2013 19:11:06 GMT
Another bad track is While My Guitar Gently Weeps. No tech gliches here-- just an awful, out of tune G solo by Clapton. Roscoe, the solo isn't out of tune and its played in the key of A, not G. Clapton recorded the solo straight and requested that it be 'wobbled' because he didn't think it sounded Beatle-y enough. It's an exceptional solo. Not sure how you come to the conclusion it's 'awful'??
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 5, 2013 19:34:34 GMT
Pls reread post.-- i said that if one listens at high vols, then it is 'possible' to blow spkrs. Pls forgive me but I am confused because in a prev post u said that u are not denying my technical observations or ability-- thank u. But now u are saying that u have never been compelled to fade the vol during mid 8 of Something. Are u saying that u like the over blast of the mid 8 or that u don't hear it at all? What about U Wont See Me-- Can u hear the high freq interference? I can't imagine anyone would want to hear it. It isn't possible to blow the speakers at all in this situation. You can only blow speakers if you overload them by perhaps massively increasing the output volume to them or through an impedance mis-match. It would certainly not happen as a result of a badly mastered recording. You see, one mans over-blast is another mans dynamic and dynamics are very important in music. And, no the middle 8's of either song have never compelled me to reach for the fader.
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roscoe
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Post by roscoe on Feb 6, 2013 2:25:42 GMT
Thanks Rocky. I have made another discovery in the last few days. There is a very irritating high pitched whining sound that commences at 2:24 of U Wont See Me-- it is on the 01 & the 09. I discovered this by turning off my fridge, which has a tendency to create a very similar disturbance at times-- the sound remains. I guess I'll do another fade out copy. At least it can be saved at that duration. So u prefer hearing the high freq interference on this one?
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Post by roscoe on Feb 6, 2013 2:32:37 GMT
Another bad track is While My Guitar Gently Weeps. No tech gliches here-- just an awful, out of tune G solo by Clapton. Roscoe, the solo isn't out of tune and its played in the key of A, not G. Clapton recorded the solo straight and requested that it be 'wobbled' because he didn't think it sounded Beatle-y enough. It's an exceptional solo. Not sure how you come to the conclusion it's 'awful'?? It's just plain out of tune. So is Georges solo on the live 909. This leaves us w/o a stereo 909. He also misses the first 2 notes of the second solo on Long Tall Sally. A couple of other minor gaffs are John's slightly out of tune harmonica on FMTU & Love Me Do. MO is that Julian is a better H player than his father. Very melodic on Too Late. Julian is BTW the only heir to have a hit-- and a number 1 at that. By G i meant Guitar, not the key of G. It doesn't matter what key it is in.
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wilf
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Post by wilf on Feb 6, 2013 10:01:08 GMT
For goodness sake ... this is making my blood boil. I'm not a musical or technical expert, but I love the Beatles music for what it is. These posts made it sound like the Beatles were a shitty band. To call 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' a bad track is close to "blasphemy" (and I'm quoting Jimmy's father out of 'The Commitments' here; his line was in connection with Elvis - ha ha). Anyway, John, Paul, George and Ringo were always the first to "admit" they weren't perfect - and I am happy that they were not!
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 6, 2013 11:42:35 GMT
For goodness sake ... this is making my blood boil. I'm not a musical or technical expert, but I love the Beatles music for what it is. These posts made it sound like the Beatles were a shitty band. To call 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' a bad track is close to "blasphemy" (and I'm quoting Jimmy's father out of 'The Commitments' here; his line was in connection with Elvis - ha ha). Anyway, John, Paul, George and Ringo were always the first to "admit" they weren't perfect - and I am happy that they were not! Well said Wilf, I fully agree with you. Roscoe, I think that appointment you have been meaning to make with your Audiologist is now well over due!
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Post by roscoe on Feb 7, 2013 22:44:21 GMT
Update-- After listening again last night I was not happy with Martha as the vocal doesn't come back enough after the brass solo( not sure if i hear a Fr Horn now)
At any rate the newest( 4th) version is now complete and is finally a success. While the very beginning may not be perfect, it is much better than Here Comes The Sun @ about 1 min. Unfortunately for all of u, i am the only person( for the moment) in possession of it.
If someone were to ask real nice i Might be persuaded to go to the trouble of unhooking my deck, driving it out to Armand & uploading it to the net.
In My life is going to be a bust
Mr Mustard/ Poly Pam--- Does the vocal come back loud enough after the transition to Poly Pam.? I would appreciate any comments.
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Post by roscoe on Feb 16, 2013 2:28:33 GMT
There is now an additional RR-- Hey Jude has been faded out before the 2nd half.
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 16, 2013 8:54:00 GMT
There is now an additional RR-- Hey Jude has been faded out before the 2nd half. Roscoe, just to be clear, you mean you have ended the song before the 'better, better, better, better, better' bit and, in the process, eradicated the whole of the 'nah, nah, nah....' Section?? Why have you done this???
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Post by roscoe on Feb 17, 2013 3:37:43 GMT
Hold onto your hats everyone but do to another tech glitch, v3 of the RR's may be in the works. I have asked Armand to pull the existing tracks for the time being. Any that may be listening to them pls put a hold on it until i figure out what to do.
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Post by roscoe on Feb 17, 2013 16:15:00 GMT
A completely new version of the RR's is now in the works. Pls disregard all that have been produced up until this point due to a tech glitch. More as the project progresses.
A word of caution to anyone putting scotch tape on your audio cassettes that have had the record-- prevent tabs removed. Be careful to put the tape only over the record-prevent tab. There is Another tab right next to that. This is so the machine can tell if the tape is Cr02 or Nor. If tape is put over the entire slot, the machine will read a Cr02 tape as if it were Nor & the best results will not be attained. This is the latest tech glitch that now makes v3 of the RR's necessary. My apologies to the Forum. r
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Post by wilf on Feb 18, 2013 10:18:50 GMT
Regarding fading out Hey Jude before the 2nd half; this has just made me laugh out loud. Is roscoe really re-writing history? Has he ever thought of writing a new book on world history, including William the Conqueror never coming to England, Queen Elizabeth I being killed before she could ascend the throne, America (the US) still being a British colony, etc. etc. etc.
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 18, 2013 13:24:17 GMT
That's what Roscoe appears to have done Wilf. I have asked him for clarification but as of yet he has not replied. I have never and still don't get the whole thing.
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