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Post by ROCKY on Jan 3, 2012 18:42:04 GMT
What the hell are we fightin' for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop Vietnam.
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Post by wozza62 on Jan 3, 2012 19:49:00 GMT
wozza62 - I have been watching this thread with almost disbelief at some of the opinions posted. Are you referring to the "He takes pills to make himself sick" line? My god, talk about blowing things out of proportion. Ringo was a clown who was prone to this sort of off the cuff remark, you seem to be asserting that this was premeditated.
Pete wasn't the one popping pills. Lennon, McCartney, Harrison and Starr were. Oh Really? LOL After replacing Pete Best in The Beatles, Ringo Starr never acknowledged Pete's contributions to the group, never spoke to his friend Pete for the rest of his life and has never said a nice word about him. Never. Isn't that a bit unfair? "Peace & love, peace & love" (I am now flashing 2 peace signs). Unfair? You obviously have zero understanding of the machinations inside a band. You are making a few spurious claims here. Lennon McCartney Harrison and Starr are all entitled to their own opinions as well, 3 of them decided that the drummer wasn't good enough and replaced him. Has it ever occurred to you that the Beatles comments or lack of them in Anthology about Best are they way that they perceive it to be? They probably have the opinion that his contribution isn't that great considering that the bulk of their fame and fortune came after he was gone. According to you they have no right to an opinion and owe an apology for having one in the first place. Pete Best was Ringo's best friend? I think you will find Best was a lot closer with Neil Aspinall than Ringo Starr. I am sorry but I am not a member of the Pete Best sycophant society and I don't have an agenda trying to make this subject more controversial than it ever was like you do.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jan 3, 2012 20:32:01 GMT
According to you they have no right to an opinion and owe an apology for having one in the first place.....
I am sorry but I am not a member of the Pete Best sycophant society and I don't have an agenda trying to make this subject more controversial than it ever was like you do.
I am not saying you or anyone else can't have an opinion. I am just saying that my take on that part of Beatle history differs a bit with that of a lot of Beatles fans. And, often, they don't want to objectively look at the facts. Instead they feel a need to go on the attack to protect their belief of what The Beatles are/were. As for Pete on pills, do you know something the rest of us don't know?
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Post by wozza62 on Jan 5, 2012 0:30:43 GMT
According to you they have no right to an opinion and owe an apology for having one in the first place.....
I am sorry but I am not a member of the Pete Best sycophant society and I don't have an agenda trying to make this subject more controversial than it ever was like you do.
I am not saying you or anyone else can't have an opinion. I am just saying that my take on that part of Beatle history differs a bit with that of a lot of Beatles fans. And, often, they don't want to objectively look at the facts. Instead they feel a need to go on the attack to protect their belief of what The Beatles are/were. As for Pete on pills, do you know something the rest of us don't know? Do I have any first hand experience that Pete Best took pills? No. Can you say with certainty that he didn't? I lived through that era man, if you think for one minute that anyone in a band working ridiculously long hours in one of the seediest cities in the world never tried anything, quite frankly you are away with the pixies. If you really want to know what Lennon though of Pete Best you can listen to this sound bite. www.beatlesagain.com/bsounds/john3.mp3
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jan 5, 2012 1:01:55 GMT
Do I have any first hand experience that Pete Best took pills? No. Can you say with certainty that he didn't? I lived through that era man, if you think for one minute that anyone in a band working ridiculously long hours in one of the seediest cities in the world never tried anything, quite frankly you are away with the pixies.
Believe it or not, not everyone does drugs. Every single account from people who where there at the time state that Pete didn't pop pills like the others and played his 7 hour sets drug free. Though he did smoke cigs and drink. Ringo got himself in trouble by carelessly branding Pete a pill popper. Now you are doing the same thing.
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Post by Amadeus on Jan 5, 2012 1:53:34 GMT
All the sources I've seen have pointed to Pete not pilling. He was different there.
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Post by wozza62 on Jan 6, 2012 4:24:36 GMT
Well I tend to associate all drugs in the same way. Perfect Pete was a drinker and smoker, so I guess he never tried a reefer either. Whoops, there goes a flying pig! Beatlesattheirbest is the one with the fixation on pills alone.
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 6, 2012 11:07:08 GMT
Well I tend to associate all drugs in the same way. Perfect Pete was a drinker and smoker, so I guess he never tried a reefer either. Whoops, there goes a flying pig! Beatlesattheirbest is the one with the fixation on pills alone. I wonder how Pete managed to stay awake playing until 6am, especially given the fact he was a drinker, if he wasn't taking preludrin like the others? With so much of the stuff knocking about and the pressure from the club managers to play for long sessions (and always Mach Shau!) he would have had to have been a trapist monk not to have partaken. I'm certain I have heard him say he use to take Prellies in an interview anyway. Not that this makes him a bad person. With all the beer and long hours playing I am sure it would be impossible to stay awake without a stimulant.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jan 6, 2012 14:01:42 GMT
If Pete was popping pills like the others, that would mean he was lying when he said he didn't and sued the Beatles. It took until 1968 for his suit to end. Pete won and it was affirmed that Pete didn't pop pills. You would think that if Pete was lying, someone would have come forward to say so once Pete sued. News of the suit and the reason for it was in the papers. You would think the Beatles lawyers would have produced evidence to show Pete was lying. No one came forward and no evidence was produced to contradict Pete. Lennon, McCartney, Harrison and Starr are all on record as saying they popped pills (and Stu did also). 50 years later, I am not aware of any person who has gone on record (or off record) that has said Pete had also taken pills.
Maybe he did, I wasn't there, I can only go by what the people who were there have said. Based on that, it's hard for me to come to any other conclusion than Pete wasn't taking pills and the other Beatles were.
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Post by The End on Jan 8, 2012 20:35:16 GMT
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 8, 2012 21:44:21 GMT
Please explain? Is is because they just look like they have all just popped a load of pills?!!
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Post by The End on Jan 9, 2012 11:19:59 GMT
Closer inspection of the little tubes they're holding reveals that it's Preludin!
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 9, 2012 11:29:46 GMT
Mmm.... very interesting. You had better be careful as someone might accuse you of 'doctoring' the photo!
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Post by revolverdundee on Jan 9, 2012 16:40:01 GMT
That's a brilliant picture! hahahahaha
i think it needs to be flashing in neon colours with "ECTO ECTO ECTO" 90's rave beats behind it.
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Post by revolverdundee on Jan 9, 2012 16:50:20 GMT
Also, beatlesattheirbest - you come across as a fucking dildo in this thread.
Regardless of Pete's influence on The Beatles as a whole, shit happens - even more so when it's teenage boys. I don't think anyone should feel pity for him.
I know first hand how much Pete costs for public appearances, and for a guy who DIDNT make it, FIFTY YEARS AGO, he's doing no bad.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jan 9, 2012 17:39:03 GMT
Also, beatlesattheirbest - you come across as a fucking dildo in this thread. How so? Who said anything about feeling pity for Pete? Yeah. Not to mention all of those Anthology millions.
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Post by wozza62 on Jan 11, 2012 1:31:34 GMT
That picture from the cover of Eric Krasker's book isn't too flattering for any of them including Perfect Pete pointing at the Preludin tube.
In an interview with Eric Krasker he points out that 4 other people made comments about the poor level of Pete Best's drumming skills which is still the main reason why he got punted. I guess the pretty boy jealousy theory doesn't fit too well with that.
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 11, 2012 12:56:25 GMT
Well obviously Kraskers a liar and that photo has been doctored. It's the only rational explanation to people who just don't want to see the bigger picture - and haven't got a movie to promote.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jan 11, 2012 14:31:28 GMT
That picture from the cover of Eric Krasker's book isn't too flattering for any of them including Perfect Pete pointing at the Preludin tube. Well obviously Kraskers a liar and that photo has been doctored. It's the only rational explanation to people who just don't want to see the bigger picture - and haven't got a movie to promote. We have a photo of John bug eyed & grinning, George smiling and Paul either angry or frustrated looking up at them. Pete looks like he is struggling to get on camera and is pointing to what looks like tubes of Preludin that John (and George) are holding. So yeah, that proves it. You're both right. A photo of Pete nudging in from the side and pointing to John while John is front & center grinning, looking bug eyed and holding Preludin in his hand certainly proves Pete was on drugs. That IS the only rational explanation.
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Post by wozza62 on Jan 12, 2012 4:26:00 GMT
Maybe I have this all wrong. Beatlesattheirbest is the Beatles fan and maybe he can't handle the truth.
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