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Post by mrmustard on Mar 8, 2012 23:04:54 GMT
Did you know Yes have another new lead singer? Jon Davison from Glass Hammer. And he's American.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 9, 2012 4:02:31 GMT
Going back a bit: Most of the stuff I posted doesn't sound '80s to me.
Air guitar should BE air guitar! And Ritchie had his moments back in the day. "Child In Time"? that solo is a ripper.
And the YES thing is very funny. So again: how can it possibly be YES without Benoit? No Ben-wa, No YES!
Actually, this latest replacement is a bit much even for a very forgiving fan like me. Are singers going to be turning over as much as keyboardists now?
And Japan? I love the sheer variety and illogicalness of Japanese music.
and:
AND SOMEBODY HELP MR. KITE FIND THE KITTY!
Well, I'm knackered.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 9, 2012 4:13:57 GMT
ALLAN! ALLAN! ALLAN! ALLAN!...
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 9, 2012 13:24:50 GMT
And the YES thing is very funny. So again: how can it possibly be YES without Benoit? No Ben-wa, No YES!Actually, this latest replacement is a bit much even for a very forgiving fan like me. Are singers going to be turning over as much as keyboardists now? You're winding me up aren't you!! Well I'm not taking the bait this time!!
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 9, 2012 17:36:19 GMT
1969 1971 1972 1973 1974 1977 1980 1983 1991 1997 2001 2004 2009 2011 2019 I do believe that's most of the changes.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 9, 2012 19:22:10 GMT
Ha Ha! Good one but you've missed out a photo with the new singer!
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 10, 2012 15:03:07 GMT
No Jon . Not Yes ! I found a Kitty in the water.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 10, 2012 20:08:14 GMT
If the record has YES printed on it and one of the main guys is there, then I look at it as a YES record. Now whether you like the record or not is now a matter of taste.
Here's an interesting question. Who Is Deep Purple? I only ask because (I think I mentioned this elsewhere), there are SIX albums that have NO connection to the current band except for the drummer.
I'm saying that Ritchie Blackmore and Jon Lord could resurrect the Rod Evans OR the David Coverdale bands with all the members and get a new drummer and voila! DEEP PURPLE. Why not? surely Ian Paice is not the identifying sound of Deep Purple.
Now for the KITTY. He's on the left hand half of the picture.
Here's a pleasant little ditty from a Mancunian band that I have rather a fondness for:
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 10, 2012 20:38:42 GMT
Yes . A good point that. Would say Wings been Wings without Macca ? Tull without Ian Anderson Would they be Tull Plant - Zepp Queen - Freddie ? It`s a band at the end of the day I suppose and it`s just a name . As for Purple When Gillian had left and Coverdale took over when it came for him to sing Smoke On The Water He sang They all can out to Montreaux Instead of we So I think that our Dave did`nt think of himself as a member of Purple but just a replacement singer Ah Yes The Fall Not a band I have listened too much But Mark E Smith is a proper Manc Ta for the Kitty spot ! Floyd without Roger ! Now that is a debate
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 10, 2012 21:07:03 GMT
Blackmore could never resurrect a band with Coverdale as he would have killed him before Coverdale approached the mic!!
You make a good point Amadeus which, when applied to Deep Purple, works. However I don't think the same point follows through with Yes. I suppose it comes down to what the various members contributed to the band and the impact they had. Before Benoit only Trevor Horn had stepped into the lead vocalist role and that was for a very short period in the history of Yes and there is no way Horn's impact on Yes was anything like Coverdale's after Gillan. Coverdale created another era to Purple that carries it's own songs that easily stand up to the Gillan era songs. There is no comparison with the Horn era, (Drama is a great album and 90125 is a brilliantly produced album for the time) and certainly not the Benoit 'era', with Anderson at all.
Yes without Jon Anderson simply does not work my friend.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 10, 2012 21:52:29 GMT
How about this question: Is 90125 a YES album or a Cinema album?
As far as sound and style goes, the change was FAR more drastic on 90125 than on Drama.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm just throwing out legitimate questions that are relevant. Even though Steve Howe is not the original guitarist, he influenced the overall sound of YES more than any other of the musicians, with the possible exception of Squire, though he's not really identifiable on those '80s albums.
I think the '80s YES was a far different group from the '70s sound than the Drama lineup.
Discuss
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 10, 2012 22:31:59 GMT
The foundations of 90125 are clearly Cinema. However Horn was a realist enough to know that the album was not going to make any great waves without a real lead singer. As good a singers Rabin and Squire were/are there was no way 90125 would have become the colossus it became without Anderson. Without Anderson it was destined to become another 'Fish Out Of Water' album or another Rabin solo album. Anderson took the album up another league.
I agree, the 80's Yes was a completely different beast to the 70's Yes. It is a credit to members of Yes that they could return so strongly over the bullshit that was punk. I never understood (and still don't) the expression that 'punk had to happen.' Punk was manufactured bollocks in mainstream pop. For so called serious musical publications such as the NME to call musicians like Yes, ELP, King Crimson 'rock dinosaurs' is an insult to people who can actually play a musical instrument to an phenomenal level compared to the majority of punk bands who were frankly embarrassing.
Sorry I digress.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 11, 2012 0:37:47 GMT
But did Cinema NEED to be re-labelled YES? Since it IS called YES, my opinion is that the biggest change in sound was the introduction of Trevor Rabin. Not The Buggles. In fact Trevor Rabin,"...The band was called Cinema and there was never any intention to call it YES..."(1994) "...If I knew that it was going to turn into a YES album I would have done things a bit differently..."(1995)
But at any rate, Jon's voice finished the record and made it twice as good as it would've been. I've heard some of the songs before Jon joined and they were supposedly finished but they sure didn't sound finished.
In 1989, I heard an interview with Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe on the radio when they came to Toronto and it was so funny because they were obviously asked about the YES name and I forget who said it but he said that there is really no reason for them to be called YES,,,"except that we look like them,,,and sound like them."
So, what's yer least favorite YES album?
In my opinion, Union isn't quite as bad as the band think. So I have to go with Open Your Eyes. That one blows chunks. Vomit Launch. Technicolour yawn. Very dire indeed.
As for the Pink Floyd question, Mr. Kite, I remember buying A Momentary Lapse Of Reason and Radio K.A.O.S. when they were released and not quite knowing what to do with them. If you put both albums in a blender of some sort, you'd get a pretty decent Pink Floyd album out the other end.
Of course, Roger is keen these days since '05 but Gilmour has lost interest.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 11, 2012 0:53:25 GMT
Indeed, Rabin was a massive influence on Yes and for that reason Yes would stand up today with Rabin in and not Howe. One of the disappointing features of Steve Howe for me is the utter distain and boredom he has for the Rabin era. Howe clearly hates playing Owner Of Lonely Heart live, it's so obvious. What he clearly fails to appreciate is that if it wasn't for the Rabin era there would be considerable doubt if he would be playing under the name of Yes today.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 11, 2012 0:56:30 GMT
And in answer to your question, from a sales and label point of view Cinema had to be relabelled as Yes. Given his Napolean style character, Anderson wouldn't have had it any other way.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 11, 2012 1:17:17 GMT
Steve Howe's whole personal identity is bound up in YES. That's a bit of an explanation (not excuse) for his seeming dismissal of the '80s YES. After all, as he pointed out and history bears out, he never left YES. YES just disintegrated around him and Geoff Downes. So a bit of a shock when a group that you never officially left comes out with a record and you're not on it. And Rabin wanted it to be Cinema because he felt it was a totally new band and that he wasn't Steve Howe's replacement.
But the suits, with no resistance from Jon and Chris, figured, as you said, That YES sells, not Cinema.
And the punk thing is very funny because 1977 was one of the biggest years for prog in record sales and touring revenue. Pink Floyd, YES, Genesis, ELP had a huge year.
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 11, 2012 19:27:48 GMT
This is the reason I joined Forums ! A debate My point of view . Yes are and always will be a great band . But look at there peak from Fragile to Going For The One had Mr Anderson at his genius . There can be no debate about that ? Can they ? No . For me that is Yes I know and love . I dont think I`m alone with this opinion I didn`t get to see Yes until 2001 , I had seen Jon and Rick solo before that . The gig was one of the best gigs I`ve ever been to . Every classic Yes song was greated with a ten minute standing ovation Barring the keyboard player Ivon wasnt it It was the Yes of that period ( Bruford was only on Fragile as we know ) And at the helm Jon Anderson . Now if it been Horn , a Tribute singer or someone out of Glass Hammer would I had been wiping tears from my eyes after Close To The Edge No way ! As for 90125 Without Jon it wouldnt have saved Yes and they would have gone the way of bands like Uriah Heep , Hawkwind and ended up playing small gigs . A question . What is your favorite Yes album ? I bet Jon is on it . Worst ? Mine Is Drama Jon is not on it . No Jon . Not Yes . As for Punk It was as Mr Musty said Bollocks ! Who closed Live 8 ? Thats right a dinosaur rock band Not stiff little fingers or anyone else who had a 12 month music career . As for Floyd without Roger How often do you put on Momentrey or Divison Bell ? Not often I bet No Roger . Not Floyd in my humble . Shouldnt this debate be on Prog Rock Thread ?
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 12, 2012 20:25:53 GMT
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 22, 2012 21:18:15 GMT
Another great Canadian And the very talanted Maria McKee And another ! I have found the kitty ! It took a while as I hav`nt seen one for awhile It was a bit blurry but I saw it . The little furry friend .
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 23, 2012 2:48:20 GMT
Congrats on finding the Kitty.
Two more Canadian icons.
I never liked that Alanis video.
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