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Post by lovelyrita1 on May 25, 2017 12:38:07 GMT
Another potential musical feast on BBC 4 On Friday Night, documents the stories of some of our musical heroes and the terrible management deals they signed up for , including one of my favourite bands The Small Faces and that band from Liverpool , what was their name again ha ha, although I hope they are not tough on Brian Epstein who did his best for the band. I think Brian's biggest mistake was was letting anyone use the Beatles name for merchandise and taking a very small percentage. It's a wonderful thing hindsight, no-one could have foreseen how huge they would become. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rc78x
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Post by pothos on May 25, 2017 15:26:26 GMT
I think this will be fascinating.
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Post by ROCKY on May 25, 2017 15:40:30 GMT
Of course the most famous 'sharks' were The Colonel and Morris Levy.
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Post by brewmaster on May 25, 2017 17:13:10 GMT
Alan Klein should feature heavily.
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Post by henryj on May 26, 2017 2:31:02 GMT
Then there is the distribution deal Stax Records, a small Memphis label, signed with Atlantic records. There was a clause in the contract that stated if Atlantic were bought by another label, the Stax masters would be owned by Atlantic (and their new parent company). No one at Stax did due diligence; all they saw was getting their records distributed by Atlantic.
In 1967 Warner Brothers bought Atlantic and the Stax masters reverted to Atlantic.
Bad deal.
Oh, it was a great deal until WB came along.
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Post by pothos on May 26, 2017 22:34:37 GMT
Utterly brilliant. Shocking stories but I thought Sharon explained the mechanics of the industry very clearly.
The Beatles essentially loosing publishing due to apparently p******* Dick James off in the Let it Be movie and then John and Paul not being able to agree how to approach Dick James selling to Lou Grade was fascinating. The Animals story, The Small Faces all getting into serious messes
Zeppelin changing the face of touring and a manager who would scare anyone who tried to short change the act he obviously cared about.
The Police that seemed to tell the story of small advance costs and then selling big for great royalties.
T Shirts being a bigger cash earner than discs.
The new wave or artists bypassing the industry altogether.
And Sharon kicking a promoter in his special place for trying to short change Ozzy.
A superb doc.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on May 27, 2017 8:55:36 GMT
Utterly brilliant. Shocking stories but I thought Sharon explained the mechanics of the industry very clearly. The Beatles essentially loosing publishing due to apparently p******* Dick James off in the Let it Be movie and then John and Paul not being able to agree how to approach Dick James selling to Lou Grade was fascinating. The Animals story, The Small Faces all getting into serious messes Zeppelin changing the face of touring and a manager who would scare anyone who tried to short change the act he obviously cared about. The Police that seemed to tell the story of small advance costs and then selling big for great royalties. T Shirts being a bigger cash earner than discs. The new wave or artists bypassing the industry altogether. And Sharon kicking a promoter in his special place for trying to short change Ozzy. A superb doc. I've recorded it, not really a fan of of Sharon Osbourne as a presenter but you said she did a good job and you are enthusiastic about the programme so it'll be a busy weekend for me with all my toys to play with.
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Post by pothos on May 27, 2017 10:01:40 GMT
I thought the strength was explaining how the monies are divided 360 degree deals etc.
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Post by brewmaster on May 29, 2017 9:30:27 GMT
I watched the program on I-player, and while I was aware of some of the deals, my jaw still dropped several times at just how outrageous the business can be. I really felt sorry for Eric Burdon; not only did their manager rip off the royalties for "House of the Rising Sun" [as discussed in the program] but Alan Price put himself down as sole composer, thus taking all the publishing cash too.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on May 29, 2017 11:11:25 GMT
I watched the program on I-player, and while I was aware of some of the deals, my jaw still dropped several times at just how outrageous the business can be. I really felt sorry for Eric Burdon; not only did their manager rip off the royalties for "House of the Rising Sun" [as discussed in the program] but Alan Price put himself down as sole composer, thus taking all the publishing cash too. I must have missed that bit about Alan Price, i like Alan Price but that's a bit dodgy. I enjoyed the documentary, i watched yesterday evening. I like the bit with The Small Faces and Moby , Play is an extraordinary album. I can't believe how badly The NME treated Moby.
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Post by pothos on May 29, 2017 11:28:04 GMT
What threw me about the Eric Burdon section was that as a cover of a very old track where did the royalties go. Someone owned the copyright.
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Post by brewmaster on May 29, 2017 11:47:31 GMT
The bit about Alan Price wasn't in the documentary, it was just something that added to the woes of the Animals. "House of the Rising Sun" was an old song, and had been recorded by Dylan. On the record it is credited "Traditional arranged by A Price" and he cut the others out of the publishing rights. I actually saw the Animals on the 1964 tour when they supported Chuck Berry. They performed the song, and it went down so well they nipped into a studio and recorded it between dates.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on May 29, 2017 12:35:46 GMT
The bit about Alan Price wasn't in the documentary, it was just something that added to the woes of the Animals. "House of the Rising Sun" was an old song, and had been recorded by Dylan. On the record it is credited "Traditional arranged by A Price" and he cut the others out of the publishing rights. I actually saw the Animals on the 1964 tour when they supported Chuck Berry. They performed the song, and it went down so well they nipped into a studio and recorded it between dates. i see, said the blind man. Of course i expect the real highlight of the programme was the toy monkeys singing the Beatles in Pinky and Perkrky voices, i think i'll buy the album ha ha .
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