alaskan
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Post by alaskan on May 15, 2008 15:43:01 GMT
Hi. For the very first time I was able to read the album notes on the UK "With The Beatles". Wow. It's pretty interesting. About ROB it says "George does a duet with himself". It would seem 35 years ago mixing together two separate sped- up tracks would have been incredibly difficult. Any comments?
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alexis
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Post by alexis on May 15, 2008 16:00:50 GMT
The best answer of course will come from Mr. BrianK Pending that: 1) Is it clearly established that George's solo was "sped up"? I know some on the forums have said that, but what is the definitive source? I for one don't believe it had to be, I think George could have played that solo in real time. 2) Re: doubling the track ... the technology was there at the time (I believe Paul DT'd himself on "All my Loving", and there were other instances as well). To double track a sped up track wouldn't seem much, if any, more difficult than a non-sped up track, IMO, FWIW (amateur home recording engineer). I believe Al/The End and others have engineering experience - what do you folks think? Thanks!
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Post by The End on May 15, 2008 16:18:34 GMT
To these ears, the solo in Roll Over Beethoven does sound sped up, although there is plenty of evidence to prove George Harrison was more than capable of playing the solo live - aside from the Star Club recording!
The double tracking ("George duets with himself") referred to in the With The Beatles sleeve notes of course refers to the vocal not the guitar solo. But where instrumentation is concerned, it would actually be easier double tracking a track that would be later sped up. This is because the track is actually played at a slower speed when adding, for example, a guitar solo.
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Post by briank on May 17, 2008 22:05:33 GMT
I have not seen any references to this one being sped up myself.
Also, it was NOT the era when the multitrack speed was changed slightly - they did HUGE changes of speed when doing half-speed effects (Like "A Hard Days' Night" solo) but subtle changes of speed became more common in 66-67.
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alexis
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Post by alexis on May 18, 2008 3:54:15 GMT
I have not seen any references to this one being sped up myself. Also, it was NOT the era when the multitrack speed was changed slightly - they did HUGE changes of speed when doing half-speed effects (Like "A Hard Days' Night" solo) but subtle changes of speed became more common in 66-67. From experience, a "HUGE change" of exactly one octave is easy to do, turns out that just doubling the tape speed works perfectly. So it makes sense that the initial exploration into tape speed variations were of the perfect octave type. "It's like magic or something, dude!" Other changes (a fourth, fifth, etc.) don't work out quite so nicely mathematically. And from what I can tell, they did much more subtle things later on, like Paul speeding his voice up a few half-steps in "When I'm 64". I wonder how much he moved up his voice, anyone know?
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alaskan
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Post by alaskan on May 18, 2008 6:52:35 GMT
Wow. Thanks for the analog tape production tip. That trick may seem out date, but I wonder if I couldn't come up with similar results using digital production. I'll have to give that a try.
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eppy
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Post by eppy on May 18, 2008 7:19:32 GMT
I play the solo at that speed, so I'm very sure that George did too.
It's a standard cover that they had been doing in their shows for years from the Cavern and Hamburg days, in fact as they went on performing live they did slow their songs down check out the early versions against the later USA and Japan concerts to see the difference.
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alexis
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Post by alexis on May 18, 2008 13:46:29 GMT
Wow. Thanks for the analog tape production tip. That trick may seem out date, but I wonder if I couldn't come up with similar results using digital production. I'll have to give that a try. Hi Alaskan - a lot of digital sequencers have a "transpose" feature for speeding up or slowing down. I use Cubase and it has that, which one do you use? The quality of the sound degrades as you move farther away from the original note, but at least it can be done! Also, if you're really into it, OR if you just want to correct a note just a little bit because it was sung out of tune, there's this really cool program called "Melodyne" you can buy, it's almost like magic!
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alaskan
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Post by alaskan on May 18, 2008 17:09:54 GMT
Thanks for that tip. Unfortunately, the digital production studio I mention is not my own so adding programs is a no-no. I'll just have to do some experimenting. But playing with varied playback speeds sounds fun. I'll have to check them out.
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alexis
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Post by alexis on Jun 2, 2008 23:01:20 GMT
Does your studio have Antares Auto Tune? This Melodyne is like that, but with buttons. If they have neither, it shouldn't be too hard a job selling them on buying Melodyne. You can google it to learn more, or go to Sound on Sound magazine (or others) for reviews. Lots of fun to play with!
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