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Post by brewmaster on Feb 10, 2017 12:42:40 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Feb 11, 2017 11:53:18 GMT
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 15, 2017 12:07:30 GMT
I finally got round to watching this last night. It was very brief. There was a good hour at least it could have been. That said, it did explain the story very well and cleared up a lot of confusion about the site of the Cavern over the years. I believe the Cavern was important to the development of The Beatles but I can't agree with Spencer Leigh's claim of "if there had been no Cavern then there would have been no Beatles." I would say Hamburg was far more important to The Beatles and there is a far better supported argument to say had The Beatles not gone to Hamburg there wouldn't be any Beatles as we know them today. That said, it was an interesting watch for 30 minutes but I do think there is a much more in depth documentary that would work also.
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Post by brewmaster on Feb 15, 2017 12:38:33 GMT
The Cavern was important, but to state that "without the Cavern there would be no Beatles" is a stretch. I agree that Hamburg was more important in the story.
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Post by pothos on Feb 15, 2017 17:07:22 GMT
Loved this so many questions.
Isn't Ted and Kate Robbins related to Paul McCartney.
Was UK youth culture really tee total during the birth of its music scene.
Loved the new image of RSATH
Did not know Eric's was half of the relocated Cavern.
Why did Colin the drummer never stay with The Beatles.
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Post by brewmaster on Feb 15, 2017 18:42:21 GMT
Apparently so. I always liked Kate, a talented impressionist.
Far from it, but for license reasons many of the venues did not sell alcohol. The Cavern, Casbah and Jacaranda fell into this category, although in later years the Cavern and Jac had drinks lincences.
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Post by pothos on Feb 15, 2017 22:49:29 GMT
I wondered why the clubs had no licences for alcohol. Was it through the birth of the coffee bar, or jazz club culture being the forerunners of the rock venues. I am sure I have a Kate Robbins single somewhere in the house.
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Post by brewmaster on Feb 16, 2017 10:20:58 GMT
Basically, if you wanted to drink ale, you went to a pub, where the only music would be communal singing, or, the occasional "artist" crooning some old favourites. There were several pubs that featured country & western music, if that was your thing.To hear Rock, you went to the clubs, several of which, as you mention, were coffee bars [the Sink club under the Rumblin' Tum for example.] The clubs weren't usually licensed to sell alcohol because such licences were stringent. The council wanted the Cavern to add a fire exit and better toilets but couldn't compel them because they were not under the restrictions of a licence.
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Post by brewmaster on Apr 2, 2017 22:05:10 GMT
Spencer Leigh's regular Radio Merseyside show had a tribute to Chuck Berry, with records of Merseybeat groups covering his numbers. Also on the show is Beatles' biographer Hunter Davies. Listen here
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Post by pothos on Apr 2, 2017 22:53:38 GMT
hanks for the link really enjoyed the playlist.
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 22, 2017 9:29:52 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Feb 21, 2018 10:31:34 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 4, 2018 20:18:37 GMT
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 5, 2018 0:21:37 GMT
Thx for the heads-up brew that should be interesting. I liked this part of the article: Although they enjoyed a brief period in the spotlight, the band cut ties with Epstein and ended their careers in a legendary fist fight. Here's a video I found of their last performance from two years ago. Although it only has one original member from the group it's still an interesting video. Big Three Discography Singles 'Some Other Guy' c/w 'Let True Love Begin.' Decca F11614. March 1963 'By The Way' c/w 'Cavern Stomp.' Decca F11689. June 1963 'I'm With You' c/w 'Peanut Butter.' Decca F11752. October 1963 'If You Ever Change Your Mind' c/w 'You've Got To Keep Her Under Hand' Decca F11927. June 1964 'Some Other Guy'/'Let It Rock'/'If You Gotta Make A Fool Of Somebody' Polydor 2058 343. 1973 EP 'The Big Three Live At The Cavern.' Decca DFE 8552. 1963. Reissued 1981 Albums 'Resurrection.' Polydor 2383 199. 1973 'Cavern Stomp.' Edsel ED 111 'Cavern Stomp' (their EP 'Live At The Cavern' with all their 45s and 2 previously unreleased tracks) Deram 844006-2. 1985 The Big Three can also be found on the following compilations: 'Ready Steady Go', 1964 'Mersey Beat 62-64', 1974 'The Beat Merchants', 1977 'Mersey Sounds', 1980 'Thank Your Lucky Stars', 1982 'Cavern Stomp', 1982 'Made In Britain', 1983 'Mersey Beat', 1983 'Liverpool 1963-64', 1983
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 5, 2018 16:55:22 GMT
The Big Three were a great group They were, perhaps, not suited to become stars. As Griff said: "We had run-ins with Epstein all the time, looking back it was like we self destructed because people in the business were always trying to change us. The Big Three was at it’s best playing 2 o’clock in the morning in sweat drenched clothes, with a case of beer at the side of the stage, and Johnny Gus bellowing out "Good Golly Miss Molly". The thought still sends shivers through me even today!" Full interview here
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 7, 2018 16:58:24 GMT
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 8, 2018 13:38:28 GMT
I know I wouldn't want to be hassled if I was walking down the street. I wonder why bars think that helps business?
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 8, 2018 18:19:50 GMT
Rocky, it really is a nuisance, even in the afternoon these kids are yelling at every passing person. And some of the bars are blaring out music, which wouldn't be so bad if it was Merseybeat, but it can be anything. One recent large venue has a Carribean theme, totally out of place in the Cavern Quarter.
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 8, 2018 20:22:12 GMT
I totally agree brew.
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Post by pothos on Mar 8, 2018 22:48:42 GMT
I a, baffled by it. Surely that just puts people off. I would get hearing Merseybeat or the Stuff that made the scene at Eric's but this sounds odd.
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