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Post by dennis1960 on Dec 5, 2016 17:35:11 GMT
I think the whole "looking for clues" thing is great fun and I have since discovering the myth as a kid back in '69. The fact that "evidence" continues to surface just proves that even though The Beatles broke up over 45 years ago, they still are part of today's musical landscape in a musical and mythical way that most bands/musicians can only dream about. Beatles Forever...or should I say, "Be at Leso"
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Post by Mr Kite on Dec 5, 2016 18:30:12 GMT
Oooh ! Is this a debate ? Can you have a debate about something that is completely made up ?
I know I may sound like a bit of party pooper
Back in my totally maniac Beatle days (late 70`s ) I was very entertained with the Paul Is Dead stuff and I even spun my White Album for the Paul Is Dead Man Miss Him marlarky But I never even at an early age ever thought that Macca was an imposter It`s just pointless and very silly
For us to be on a Beatle Forum 46 years on after the band split up and to come under criticism will never happen The Beatles were real , they were and still are the greatest thing that happened in popular music Their albums have been re released almost every decade since I don`t really need to go on and on ..and on 2 of the members are still touring and are real people As for Denny Laine When he sold his story to the newspaper he was skint and your not telling me that he would of kept stum with the fact that Macca was a fake No frickin way , just imagine the money they would have thrown at him for the world exclusive If the Paul is dead nonsense was not , that would have been the day that the Walrus was Paul
The Paul Is Dead nonsense would give non Beatle believers ammo to give this or millions of Beatle fans and Forums stick
I just think more energy should be on the real Beatle history
There`s a crack in the wall !!! Oh, that means Paul is dead ! Very silly .
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Post by brewmaster on Dec 5, 2016 19:13:41 GMT
I agree.
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Post by ROCKY on Dec 6, 2016 0:16:19 GMT
I also agree, it sort of loses its flavor on the bedpost overnite.
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Post by dennis1960 on Dec 6, 2016 0:36:34 GMT
The "Paul is Dead" debate is hardly nonsense and like it or not is a fascinating and well documented chapter in Beatle history. The Beatles were still the kings of the music world when the story broke and it was a media sensation in both print, radio and even TV. The clues and circumstantial evidence were hard to ignore and whether you believed the story they told was a ridiculous coincidence, a shocking truth, or a fantastic hoax created by the Beatles themselves for a laugh, it was one of the biggest stories of 1969. Obviously John was still aware of the whole thing in 1971 and having fun with it when he sang, "Man those freaks were right when they said you were dead" to Paul in "How Do You Sleep?" The fact that books continue to be written about the myth nearly 50 years after it happened tells me that it remains active even today and that a Beatle forum, of all places, should be a great place to discuss the events and clues surrounding it. You can't pretend the Paul is Dead story didn't happen and should not be a topic of discussion just because you don't agree with it
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Post by brewmaster on Dec 6, 2016 10:25:25 GMT
Just because lots of people believe it, or discuss it, doesn't mean that the original premise is true. The idea that Paul died is nonsense.
To be fair, people seem ready to believe even more nonsensical stuff, witness all the mad conspiracy theories out there. The principle to guide this sort of thing is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" Applying Occam's Razor usually supplies the logical solution.
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 6, 2016 12:39:09 GMT
I'm going to pick a group, make up an outrageous theory and go on to prove it with clues. See if it can be done. See if the same amount of clues can be invented. Maybe it'll catch on and a whole new myth will be created.
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Post by dennis1960 on Dec 6, 2016 17:34:06 GMT
Just because lots of people believe it, or discuss it, doesn't mean that the original premise is true. The idea that Paul died is nonsense. I never said the original premise was true. I said the debate itself is a well documented event in Beatle history and is therefore worthy of discussion and not nonsense.
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Post by brewmaster on Dec 6, 2016 18:08:58 GMT
That's cool. In this thread I've avoided actually discussing the theories around this myth. That's because you can't use reason with people who believe nonsense. It is, literally, a conversation stopper.
At risk of straying from the music aspect, this discussion is illuminating. Mehdi Hassan is an educated, smart journalist, so what he believes may be surprising:
I'm not picking on religion, but as you can see when one person makes assertions that defy science and reason, you just can't have any worthwhle discussion. Anyway, the main thing is that everyone here really appreciates the lasting legacy of the Beatles.
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Post by dennis1960 on Dec 6, 2016 19:51:06 GMT
Anyway, the main thing is that everyone here really appreciates the lasting legacy of the Beatles. That's why I joined, but after participating in this thread and reading the negativity and sarcasm when people seemed to think I actually believed that Paul was dead, I question whether this forum is really as fun a place as I thought it was.
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Post by Mr Kite on Dec 6, 2016 20:11:42 GMT
You can't pretend the Paul is Dead story didn't happen and should not be a topic of discussion just because you don't agree with it The Paul Is Dead story did`nt happen ! I don`t think there should`nt be a discussion on the topic , far from it , I love a good debate ! Don`t take it personal dennis , no one is going to come round your house with pitchforks ! No one said that you believed in it did they ? My point is that someone has written a book or made a film about something that did`nt happen And worse still is that there are people out there are going out buying books about something that did`nt happen Is`nt that how religion started ? Should`nt they be under non fiction ? It`s sounds so silly that people want to believe in something is so blatantly untrue Remember the early 80`s when kids were playing Judas Priests and Sabbath albums backwards and all that malarkey ? Kids were blowing there heads off because Rob Halford told them too As Lennon would call them freaks I would call them Emotionally disturbed and need help , for as such stuff that people want to believe that is`nt true become very dangerous Mark Chapman thought John Lennon was an impostor did`nt he ?
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 6, 2016 21:12:12 GMT
Anyway, the main thing is that everyone here really appreciates the lasting legacy of the Beatles. That's why I joined, but after participating in this thread and reading the negativity and sarcasm when people seemed to think I actually believed that Paul was dead, I question whether this forum is really as fun a place as I thought it was. Don't worry Dennis. It seems that only on the last page or two has there been a really negative feel to the comments. Of course no one with any sense believes that stuff. And this thing DID happen. It's of no consequence to my life or yours one way or another. It's just a point of interest that is rather entertaining to me. The discussion of it hasn't made the world a worse place. Lighten up all. But the fight between atheists and religious folk and debates between religions about who's right or who should control the people or what we should believe has!!! Paul Is dead is just small potatoes. No harm done.
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Post by Mr Kite on Dec 6, 2016 21:39:05 GMT
Me and Mr Amadeus had a few debates that went on for months ! like Yes are Yes even when Jon Anderson was`nt in Yes Phil Collins is a musician
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 6, 2016 22:07:13 GMT
Oh BLOODY HELL! The evidence speaks for itself. You can't tell me this isn't YES. And Mr K is a huge Phil Collins fan
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Post by ROCKY on Dec 6, 2016 22:38:02 GMT
Actually the 'Paul is Dead' story to me is like watching studio wrestling. You know it ain't real, but it's entertaining and you can have discussions about it with other people on why you do think it is real.
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Post by ROCKY on Dec 21, 2016 16:20:56 GMT
They were actually faking Paul's death way back in 1960 when Pete Best was still around!!
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Post by dennis1960 on Dec 21, 2016 20:49:12 GMT
They were actually faking Paul's death way back in 1960 when Pete Best was still around!! Practice makes perfect
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Post by ROCKY on Dec 22, 2016 12:27:05 GMT
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Post by letitbeatle on Feb 23, 2018 11:28:36 GMT
Paul Is Dead - The Rotten Apple 90 LC Paul's Beard in Scotland
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