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Post by mrmustard on Jan 24, 2013 13:17:24 GMT
I think Gerry and the Pacemakers covered that and A Shot of Rhythm and Blues for their first LP so it probably wasn't even considered after that. Luckily we have the BBC version!! I have never heard Gerry Marsden sing any all out Rock'n'Roll like Lennon and McCartney did. Has he ever recorded anything singing in a gut wrenching style?
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Post by The End on Jan 24, 2013 16:58:46 GMT
I think Gerry and the Pacemakers covered that and A Shot of Rhythm and Blues for their first LP so it probably wasn't even considered after that. Luckily we have the BBC version!! I have never heard Gerry Marsden sing any all out Rock'n'Roll like Lennon and McCartney did. Has he ever recorded anything singing in a gut wrenching style? Actually, I was mistaken it wasn't Soldier of Love on their first LP - I got mixed up with another Arthur Alexander song Where Have You Been All My Life (you can find The Beatles take on this on the Star Club albums) Gerry & the Pacemakers "How Do You Like It" LP (released October 1963) is sadly overlooked in my opinion - it's actually not a bad album! They covered 2 other Arthur Alexander songs on it as they also did A Shot of Rhythm and Blues and You're The Reason. Regarding Gerry's voice - I think he was a great vocalist but he didn't have the edge Lennon had. The good thing is you can make direct comparisons between vocalists as GATPs covered quite a bit of the same early material - e.g., Slow Down which is on the same LP and as such was released before The Beatles' version. If you get a chance, listen to "Chills" though - it's a quality tune, not a gut wrencher as such but Marsden shows quite an extraordinary range. In fact, here it is:
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 24, 2013 20:49:34 GMT
If you get a chance, listen to "Chills" though - it's a quality tune, not a gut wrencher as such but Marsden shows quite an extraordinary range. In fact, here it is: Wow! What a great track. Never heard that before. I think Gerry is an excellent singer. Great range as you say. I would go so far as to say he was probably technically better than Lennon. However Lennon had a unique voice that was willing to go anywhere in any style. Gerry is quite reminiscent of late 50's early 60's American singers like Dion and Bobby Darin. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way but its hard to imagine him doing a three month stint in Hamburg singing for 8 hours on and off 6 nights a week surrounded by prostitutes, sailors, shady mafia types and people just generally kicking the shit out of each other! P.S. did you make the accompanying video to this Al in your music room by any chance!
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Post by The Sun King on Jan 24, 2013 23:20:12 GMT
Never really rated Marsden or pacemakers for that matter. Nice guys all round,but found them to be a bit twee & uncool.their sound was fragile in my opinion. Where as The Beatles were ultra cool,regarding setting trends in fashion & hair do,s etc. Unlike Gerry & the boys who all looked 50 odd , what with comb overs etc. As for Marsden being technically the better singer than Lennon your having a laugh mrmustard, I know your only joking with that comment. You succeeded in waking me from my forum slumber.
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Post by The End on Jan 25, 2013 0:36:01 GMT
If you get a chance, listen to "Chills" though - it's a quality tune, not a gut wrencher as such but Marsden shows quite an extraordinary range. In fact, here it is: Wow! What a great track. Never heard that before. I think Gerry is an excellent singer. Great range as you say. I would go so far as to say he was probably technically better than Lennon. However Lennon had a unique voice that was willing to go anywhere in any style. Gerry is quite reminiscent of late 50's early 60's American singers like Dion and Bobby Darin. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way but its hard to imagine him doing a three month stint in Hamburg singing for 8 hours on and off 6 nights a week surrounded by prostitutes, sailors, shady mafia types and people just generally kicking the shit out of each other! P.S. did you make the accompanying video to this Al in your music room by any chance! Yeah I agree, the G&TPs strangely seemed a bit too clean-cut and older than the Beatles! Their sounds was weaker too in my opinion - sort of Beatle-lite. There are a couple of other Liverpudlian voices that have always reminded me of Marsden's a bit - see if you agree: James Skelly (The Coral) Lee Mavers (The La's) And no, that's not my music room - I found the video on YouTube! Oh and you'd never in a million years guess who did the original of Chills - Tony Orlando!! He of Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree fame! His version of Chills has a tenuous Beatles connection - the backing vocals were by The Cookies who of course recorded the original version of Chains. Incidentally, both tracks were written by Carol King.
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Post by The End on Jan 25, 2013 0:51:12 GMT
Never really rated Marsden or pacemakers for that matter. Nice guys all round,but found them to be a bit twee & uncool.their sound was fragile in my opinion. Where as The Beatles were ultra cool,regarding setting trends in fashion & hair do,s etc. Unlike Gerry & the boys who all looked 50 odd , what with comb overs etc. As for Marsden being technically the better singer than Lennon your having a laugh mrmustard, I know your only joking with that comment. You succeeded in waking me from my forum slumber. I agree 100% with this, but although Lennon's voice sounds MILES better in my opinion, Marsden did probably have a better voice technically, which is evident in his seemingly effortless vibrato (as is nicely demonstrated in the above song) and suits the crooning style of vocal heard on Ferry Cross the Mersey and You'll Never Walk Alone etc.
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Post by The Sun King on Jan 25, 2013 7:52:53 GMT
Yes your right theEnd regarding the crooning style of Marsden.thats where I see him as a stand alone crooner using Big bands etc. Rather than putting his style into a "rock N roll" band.As for the Lennon debate,John made so many more records than Marsden. So therefore there will be high & lows in Johns vocals (mostly highs of course) &. More judgements made.Where In the case of Marsden,I couldn't name you a song he did after "67".So we always remember Marsden in his halcyon years.
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 25, 2013 13:28:01 GMT
I'm glad I have awoken you from your forum slumber The Sun King.
There is no question who is the better singer. I only say Marsden is technically better due to his range and the fact that he can sing at a much higher range than Lennon without having to scream or force it. Lennon's vocal abilities lie in his distinctive voice, passion and power. For me these are far more important than technical ability alone, which Lennon of course had anyway.
Crooner comparisons are slightly unfair to Marsden at his height. I would describe Bernard Cribbins as a crooner and Marsden has got to be better than him!
As we have discussed on many occasions, I put Lennon as a singer above Plant, Daltrey, Jagger etc all those singers who are recognised lead vocalists. I would put Lennon in my top three singers of all time. On certain days probably my favourite singer. Marsden is unlikely to feature in my top 50!
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Post by ROCKY on Jan 26, 2013 3:14:25 GMT
IMO the songs Gerry sang were perfect for him. I couldn't see the Beatles singing How Do you Do It and actually was scrapped by them or Martin as their first single, but perfect for Gerry and he made a hit out it! I agree Lennon had the perfect Rock & Roll voice Twist & Shout was perfect for him. Later on in '74 when he did that R&R Lp his voice IMO was cooked for those type of songs, it just didn't have the zip of earlier times. Check out the OST LP cover for 'Ferry Across The Mersey'. What a great LP cover! G&TP's at the Cavern! This is a perfect example at why LP's were so great and CD covers suck!! BTW has anyone ever seen that movie 'Ferry Across The Mersey"?
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Post by rdnzl on Jan 27, 2013 7:30:51 GMT
Would it be a reasonable idea for EMI to release an album of rock & roll oldies from the Get Back Sessions? Are there enough of them and are they played well enough to constitute an official release?
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 27, 2013 10:15:53 GMT
Would it be a reasonable idea for EMI to release an album of rock & roll oldies from the Get Back Sessions? Are there enough of them and are they played well enough to constitute an official release? There is probably enough material but the quality of them couldn't be packaged as a commercial album. They are all off the cuff performances that usually begin with one person starting the song and the others gradually joining in with the song breaking down rather than come to a proper ending. I personally don't think any of these out takes (that I've heard) do the Beatles any justice. Sure, there are some nice bits here and there but nothing that would make a good album in my opinion.
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Post by rdnzl on Jan 27, 2013 13:59:32 GMT
I suppose you're probably right. I'm trying to think of some outtakes I've heard, but I'm not sure if they exist on multitrack or if they only exist on the Nagra tapes. I seem to recall they did "Three Cool Cats", but they played it extremely slow. They did "Love Me Do" (likely on multitrack, as I hear Billy Preston on it), but it was really rough. There's "Crying Waiting Hoping", and it's complete, but we have a BBC version already. "House Of The Rising Sun" is out of the question!
I had read somewhere (maybe in one of Lewisohn's books?) that they actually considered a rock & roll oldies album at this point. If true, I wonder if that's why they put so much trouble into mixing "Mailman Bring Me No More Blues". Personally I would have left that off "Anthology 3".
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Post by Amadeus on Jan 27, 2013 23:23:24 GMT
Yeah. Could've included the demo of 'Bad To Me' too. And why have we never heard the take 2 of Twist And Shout? There's, like, 40 takes of ''seventeen'', ''Misery'' and ''There's A Place''. Why no Twist and Shout take 2? That tape is missing/wiped, isn't it? I can't recall hearing any outtakes or alternate versions from the evening session (7.30 - 10.45) for Please Please Me, i.e. Hold Me Tight (later re-recorded for With The Beatles), Anna, Boys, Chains, Baby It's You and Twist and Shout. That is true. I never really noticed that there were no evening session boots about.
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Post by rdnzl on Jun 8, 2013 0:30:34 GMT
I was also a bit sad that the full length version of "It's All Too Much" wasn't included on "Anthology 2". I have a mono mix of it that sounds pretty good, but I'd love to hear a stereo mix. One of my favorite Beatles songs that is usually ignored.
When the "Yellow Submarine Songtrack" CD was announced, I thought that they might have possibly included that as a bonus track. Then I woke up from my dream to see things as they really are. The Beatles don't do bonus tracks!
I strongly believe that an "Anthology Leftovers" 2 CD set would be a worthwhile project. Even if it threatens to scrape some wood off the bottom of that hypothetical barrel.
It could include all the otherwise unreleased tracks from the CD singles "Baby It's You", "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love". These CD singles are getting harder to find...so put 'em here.
I'd like an official release of the alternate "And Your Bird Can Sing", without John & Paul laughing all over it. It's fun to hear them clowning around and having fun, but I'd rather hear that recording as it existed before the laughing overdubs.
Perhaps this could be a 3 CD set, with CD 3 being a limited edition "Christmas Album". After all, this would likely be released for the holiday season.
I also recall that there was an outtake of "Do You Want To Know A Secret" that omits the "doo doo doo's" from the first verse and has a complete ending rather than the faded ending. Include that.
The long "Revolution 1" should be included. "Carnival Of Light" should be included.
"Anthology 1" completely ignored the 11 Feb 1963 session. Tracks from that ought to be included.
A CD of the "white album" demos should be released as well.
Am I expecting too much from Apple/EMI/Paul/Ringo/Olivia/Yoko ?
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Post by Amadeus on Jun 8, 2013 12:36:40 GMT
I was also a bit sad that the full length version of "It's All Too Much" wasn't included on "Anthology 2". I have a mono mix of it that sounds pretty good, but I'd love to hear a stereo mix. One of my favorite Beatles songs that is usually ignored. Is it possible that the multi-track tape was edited? I must look it up.
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Post by The Sun King on Jun 9, 2013 8:40:33 GMT
After listening to all 3 Anthologies with a keen ear recently,I can honestly say there's not one song that can compare with the finished tracks. Except for maybe While my guitar gently weeps which is a lovely version on Anth 3. Great to hear never the less. Hearing the songs as a work in progress.
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Post by flipdaboid on Oct 23, 2014 14:47:34 GMT
I agree that the original long (10 min. plus) version of Revolution 1 (with all the overdubs) should have been included. It's really great! It's out there as a bootleg listed as Revolution (Take 22). There's also a good alternate version of Revolution 9!
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