carcho
And That's A Start
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Post by carcho on Sept 17, 2012 2:17:43 GMT
I didn't know (until I had read through Geoff Emerick's biography) that, besides Ringo's rare drum solo, George, John and Paul improvised the finish of 'The End' with all three of them on lead guitar. After reading about it, I must have gone back to listen to it 20 times to see if I could sort out for myself who was who on each guitar. With John's signature rhythm-style, Paul's riff-style and George's flair with higher octaves, I think I've picked out all three of their guitar parts in the song, but I was curious what everyone else out there hears in the song for themselves ? I'll also be curious, after consulting with expert ears here, if I'm actually way off on my choices. This is what my ears think they hear after Ringo's drum solo - - Paul - George - John - Paul - John - George - John Let me know what you hear for yourself in the finish . . . UPDATE - Sept. 20th - I can see by the replies this week that this isn't an easy or obvious matter to sort through in any way. Add to that the fact that a few in their inner circle have questioned Geoff's memory on the events in the biography, as well as the fact that the solos were not planned very far ahead (from what I had heard, it was basically an idea that came up in the studio, was worked-on during an hour break, and was put to tape the next hour). My own reasoning in my choices came from finding the opening bars in the same style of what Paul did on 'Let Me Roll It', and I thought I heard something in the higher octaves reminiscent of George's work on 'Wah Wah' and 'Awaiting On You All'. With John's bit, I just listened for rhythm. I'm assuming that the notes from the recording session are a bit vague on the matter, since this idea was more work by the group itself rather than the engineers on hand. In the meantime, I'll give a few more listens to Abbey Road. I've been wanting to hear the medley again, anyway.
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Post by The End on Sept 17, 2012 13:37:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's two bars each in this order: Paul - George - John before the order is repeated again (John playing the last part before the piano comes in).
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 17, 2012 14:25:45 GMT
I'm pretty sure the order is George, Paul, John, George, Paul, John, George, Paul, John all playing two bars each time. The solos last for 18 bars in total so they get three solos each. Paul's is the high pulsating solos, George's the more mid range solos and Johns the rhythmical one. I think Paul's second time around is confusing as he starts of rhythmical but ends on a higher, bent single note.
Any advances on this?
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Post by The End on Sept 19, 2012 22:35:47 GMT
Just checked the Beatles Chronicle and it says for 7 August 1969 - "Paul, George and John trade solos in turn."
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 20, 2012 6:50:26 GMT
Just checked the Beatles Chronicle and it says for 7 August 1969 - "Paul, George and John trade solos in turn." I'm not convinced. When Paul plays a guitar solo he always goes for something flashy hence why I think he's doing the high ones. Where as Georges solos appear thoughtful and worked out. I could possibly be wrong but my gut feeling is George is first.
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Post by The End on Sept 20, 2012 16:31:59 GMT
I can see this being another ADITL "aaaaaahhhhs" LOL Not that it means that much but A Revolution in the Head has it the McCartney-Harrison-Lennon order too.
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 20, 2012 17:45:38 GMT
I can see this being another ADITL "aaaaaahhhhs" LOL Not that it means that much but A Revolution in the Head has it the McCartney-Harrison-Lennon order too. I am probably wrong about this I know. The evidence is too overwhelming for it not to be Paul, George, John. But you know when you have a gut feeling about something.............
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Post by The End on Sept 20, 2012 18:36:04 GMT
I can see this being another ADITL "aaaaaahhhhs" LOL Not that it means that much but A Revolution in the Head has it the McCartney-Harrison-Lennon order too. I am probably wrong about this I know. The evidence is too overwhelming for it not to be Paul, George, John. But you know when you have a gut feeling about something............. Absolutely know what you mean in that regard - even given the evidence regarding ADITL I still know it's Paul!
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 20, 2012 18:46:25 GMT
You have given me the confidence to continue in my quest in proving George was first!
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