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Post by ROCKY on Mar 30, 2012 18:49:58 GMT
I was just wondering, is there some secret feud between these two? I have never seen them appear on stage together in close to a half a century! While Bob has been known to hang out with John and played at Bangla Desh with Ringo and we all know George was one of Bob's closest friends, but when they did that Song for George concert Sir Paul came and Dylan didn't! You would think they might want to sit down and write something together, but that has never happened! We've had all those Live Aid concerts, We Are the World, Grammy Awards, and all those other specials that Dylan pops up to do a song for... but no Sir Paul, and all those special concerts Sir Paul pops up for...and there ain't no Dylan. Hmmmmm.....
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 30, 2012 20:46:15 GMT
Well it would have to be an ultra secret feud. It's an interesting theory but I think they are just two musicians that don't really have enough in common that would make them want to collaborate. McCartney has said all the Beatles were really inspired by Dylan in the mid sixties although McCartneys acoustic material certainly didn't sound inspired by Dylan in the same way as Lennons or Harrison's. Conversely I can't think of many public declarations by Dylan about which contemporaries he liked.
Yes, thinking about it while I'm writing this I just couldn't see this working out between them. More than likely McCartney was of the opinion well Dylan is John and George's mate so I don't want to fall in with that. Likewise Dylan may of thought he didn't need to be seen to be playing with or hanging out with another Beatle.
Your theory about the Bangladesh concert - isnt it more likely the relationship between Harrison and McCartney prevented McCartney from playing? The closeness of this event to the Beatles break up was probably a major factor in both Lennon and McCartney not appearing on the show. It's a sad state of affairs but the fact of millions of people starving and dying in Bangladesh was not enough for Lennon and McCartney to look beyond the bullshit they were going through with The Beatles.
I don't know why Dylan didn't play The Concert For George. Your theory is an interesting one and you may be completely right about it but I think in the end they had little in common musically.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 30, 2012 23:17:36 GMT
George invited John to play the Bangladesh charity but not Yoko. John said he wouldn't show up without Yoko. Mick Jagger was asked in '71 or '72 if the Rolling Stones would ever break up. He said, "nah. But if we did, we wouldn't be so bitchy about it."
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 31, 2012 0:25:47 GMT
George invited John to play the Bangladesh charity but not Yoko. John said he wouldn't show up without Yoko This is allegedly true but it's a pretty lame excuse from a man who had not long released Imagine. Clearly he didn't give much of a toss that people where dying in Bangladesh or he would have played for 20 minutes without his wife! After all, Yoko did eat George's frigging biscuits!
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 31, 2012 0:43:23 GMT
It's hard to behave rationally when you're going through a bitter divorce from 3 other guys. And you're bizarre in love with an avant guarde chick and want to spread the message of peace and love and art (with a capital F) with the whole world because for a brief while you (john) bought into the myth that you're some sort of guru.
Emotions were running high and dark and that interferes with good thinking. Plus the fact that they (especially John) were trying to shed the Beatles weight from around their neck and John had his way of doing it. George's way was by doing what he was doing. Being the boss of his own 'show'. And asking John to play a couple of songs because the most amount of people would like that.
The "lost weekend" was the best thing to happen to John in that it brought him back down to the level of being a human for a change rather than a socially conscious superhero. Sometime In NYC. - Rubbish Walls and Bridges - Good.
What was my point? I forgot.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 31, 2012 9:14:43 GMT
Well put Amadeus. I think the same is true to an extent for McCartney as to why he didnt play the Bangladesh concert rather than a feud with Dylan.
I take a slight exception to the arbitrary rubbishing of Sometime In New York City as Woman Is The Nigger of The World is a great song.
Now back to the biscuits which I think had a lot to do with Harrison and Yoko's relationship. Have you not heard the story that around the time Yoko was in the studio all of the Beatles brought their own food into the studio rather than eat from the canteen and would never share. While The Beatles were up in control room Yoko was still down in the studio. Harrison had some biscuits were he set up. Yoko, in full view of everyone in the control room, walked over to Harrison's biscuits and ate one. The control room fell silent. Then Harrison said 'bitch!'. Lennon could say nothing as he realised the magnitude of Yoko's offence.
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 31, 2012 12:51:26 GMT
That was a pretty interesting story mrmustard which I have never heard before. But I think you have to realize what was happening at that point in time. Each one of them probably hated the other and just any little thing would tick them off. A few years later George was at Lennon's house to record 'How Do You Sleep At Night?' (a rip at Paul) and if you remember George was having tea and biscuits with John and Yoko so she repaid him. lol
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 31, 2012 13:42:55 GMT
I agree with you Rocky. The bullshit prevailed over common sense and decency but that's what happens during a divorce which they where effectively going through at the time.
I think the real important question is - what sort of biscuits did Yoko take from George? Now if it was a chocolate digestive then I completely understand George's reaction and this offence is punishable by death. However, if it was just a bit of shortbread he got off an auntie for Christmas then that's ok!
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 31, 2012 14:32:06 GMT
It wasn't really an arbitrary rubbishing of Sometime In NYC. The song you mentioned IS great. Luck Of The Irish is also a great tune. And I like Yoko's "O, Sisters" and "We're All Water". BUT Aside from the couple of songs mentioned, the record is musically weak. The lyrics are trying to be about radical politics and Lennon hasn't got a politically radical bone in his body. The lyrics are naive and mostly written in a sort of hamfisted way. It really sounded like a forced album to present something in particular that he really wasn't. He's not a great politician or activist. Some of it all was just a bit embarrassing.
The smartest thing he said during the whole bed-in for peace saga was that if everybody stayed in bed for the day, war would cease.(at least for that day).
Walls and Bridges, He was back to being just "John" again and sang songs about what came naturally to him. And the music doesn't sound as forced as NYC does. It sounds more natural and 'organic'.
I'm moving so all my books are kind of buried, so it'll take time to find out about the all important "biscuit" issue.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 31, 2012 15:04:46 GMT
I agree with you Amadeus; his political shenanigans where fairly cringe-worthy but strangely taken seriously enough by the American government to warrant an FBI investigation. In a further example of unbelieveable Lennon contradiction, he was later a supporter of Carter even though he despised Nixon.
Yes, Walls and Bridges is a far superior album to SNYC for the reasons you say and arguably his 3rd best solo album.
Let me know how you get on with the 'biscuit' incident research.
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Post by oobujoobu1971 on May 14, 2012 11:50:55 GMT
Dylan gave an interview about 2 years ago where he was asked about his opinions of other musicians. He stated that McCartney is the only musician in the world that he is "in awe of". have found a link to it here - www.nme.com/news/bob-dylan/28350
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Post by ROCKY on May 20, 2012 20:30:57 GMT
Thanks for sharing that oobujoobu, very interesting.
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Post by lennon9091 on May 24, 2012 13:19:53 GMT
I think Paul should to stay well clear of appearing with Bob, i saw him in Manchester in 2006 - he was awful and so were his band. You could hardly tell what song he was singing and there wasn't even any large video screens to watch. I went for a pint towards the end and i wasn't the only one. I got on the coach afterwards and most people agreed - never again !!
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Post by ROCKY on May 24, 2012 13:46:45 GMT
Yep, you either love or hate the guy, there's no in between. lol BTW Bobby's 71 today.
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Post by bingomusic on Jun 7, 2012 8:40:43 GMT
I would also vote very heavily AGAINST any Macca / Dylan collaboration ...... Simply put: Bob Dylan does NOTHING AT ALL for me.... Saw him at Hyde Park in 1996 for the Prince's Trust and thought he was utter sh**e !!!! .... I don't doubt he is a good song WRITER, but singer ? .... Not for me.... IMHO.... Regards to all.... bingomusic.
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