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Post by alexis on Nov 18, 2007 4:00:04 GMT
I don't know much about what British musical influences the Beatles had, can someone help out here? (Besides skiffle stuff).
Was Ann-Margaret British - does "I Just Don't Understand" count?
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Post by The End on Nov 18, 2007 16:40:11 GMT
Two their biggest influences were an Englishmen - Tony Sheridan and Lonnie Donnegan. But there was a hell of big American influence too, notably from Elvis, Buddy Holly and American R 'n' B.
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Post by alexis on Nov 21, 2007 3:29:08 GMT
Two their biggest influences were an Englishmen - Tony Sheridan and Lonnie Donnegan. But there was a hell of big American influence too, notably from Elvis, Buddy Holly and American R 'n' B. DOH!! Lonnie Donnegan ... did they record anything that sounded like him!
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Post by Michelle Revolution on Nov 21, 2007 3:48:40 GMT
No, but there is a recording, taped on the day John first met Paul (July 6th 1957), of The Quarrymen performing a Lonnie Donnegan track called "Puttin On The Style". It is very poor quality but John's voice is still very distinctive.
"Puttin' On The Style" July 6th 1957 [music]http://h1.ripway.com/michellerevolution/PuttinOnTheStyle.mp3[/music]
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Post by kevin on Dec 18, 2007 12:16:40 GMT
When I listen to Lonnie's skiffle it sounds (to me) more american than most american's. So while Lonnie might have inspired them, isn't it safe to say it was still american music he was playing?
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Post by The End on Dec 18, 2007 12:26:22 GMT
It all depends on what tracks you've heard by Lonnie Donegan. Lonnie's sound was a combination of influences, some of which were of course American, but it also owed a great deal to English folk music.
His later songs such as "Does Your Chewing Gum..." and "My Ol' Man's A Dustman" were purely novelties and are nothing like his early material.
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Post by kevin on Dec 18, 2007 12:34:56 GMT
Yeah - forgot about those. My Old Man..was a real favourite when I was kid. "There's a police dog in my bin!" Fantastic stuff. I guess "proper" skiffle was the rap music of it's day - easy for any backstreet kid to have a go at and decried by the oldies as not real music. Yo hangin' with the Quarry Posse, with my main man Winston L.
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Post by The End on Dec 18, 2007 12:43:17 GMT
LOL!! God forbid!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 19:27:53 GMT
I don't know much about what British musical influences the Beatles had, can someone help out here? (Besides skiffle stuff). Was Ann-Margaret British - does "I Just Don't Understand" count? Well, I would say that most music that influenced The Beatles came from across the pond but there's a fascinating insight as to the songs that influenced John Lennon in the shape of a 2 CD set named 'John Lennon's Jukebox'. It's well worth hunting down. I've appended a track list below and as you can see, The Animals, Donovan and The Big Three seem to be the only British recordings featured on the CDs. Apparently, the original jukebox belonging to John was 'discovered' with the singles still intact. You can read about it at this web link : www.jpgr.co.uk/col_vtdcd608.htmlTrack list Disc: 1 1. Wilson Pickett - In The Midnight Hour 2. Fontella Bass - Rescue Me 3. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles The Tracks Of My Tears 4. Otis Redding My Girl 5. Len Barry 1, 2, 3 6. Tommy Tucker - High Heel Sneakers 7. Jimmy McCracklin - The Walk 8. Timmy Shaw - Gonna Send You Back to Georgia 9. Contours - First I Look At The Purse 10. Gary U.S. - Bonds New Orleans 11. Bobby Parker - Watch Your Step 12. Derek Martin - Daddy Rollin' Stone 13. Larry Williams - Short Fat Fannie 14. Little Richard - Long Tall Sally 15. Barrett Strong - Money (That's What I Want) 16. Bruce Channel Hey! Baby 17. Bob Dylan - Positively 4th Street 18. The Lovin’Spoonful - Daydream 19. Donovan - Turquoise 20. Buddy Holly - Slippin' And Slidin' Disc: 2 1. Gene Vincent - Be-Bop-A-Lula 2. Chuck Berry - No Particular Place To Go 3. Paul Revere & The Raiders - Steppin' Out 4. The Lovin’ Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic 5. The Big Three - Some Other Guy 6. The Isley Brothers - Twist and Shout 7. Larry Williams -She Said "Yeah" 8. Buddy Holly - Brown Eyed Handsome Man 9. Little Richard - Slippin' And Slidin' 10. Gary U.S. Bonds - Quarter To Three 11. Little Richard - Ooh My Soul 12. Gene Vincent - Woman Love 13. The Miracles - Shop Around 14. The Animals - Bring It On Home To Me 15. James Ray with the Hutch Davie Orchestra - If You Gotta Make A Fool Of Somebody 16. The Miracles - What's So Good About Goodbye 17. Larry Williams - Bad Boy 18. Edwin Starr - Agent Double O Soul 19. The Miracles - I've Been Good To You 20. Barrett Strong - Oh I Apologize 21. The Miracles - Who's Lovin' You
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Post by Mr Kite on Dec 30, 2007 20:01:14 GMT
John Lennons songwriting from the day he heard Bob Dylan totally changed for the better , don`t you think as Dylans personal and surreal lyrics must have influenced Lennon to write Help , Nowhere Man etc ..i know this is written in so many books , i just think it made Lennon, in my opinion one the best songwriters in pop history. As for British influences these were the early days of Lennon and McCartneys songwriting , but having said that we all know what made them two want to compose there own songs was another American Buddy Holly
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Post by Michelle Revolution on Jan 5, 2008 2:10:11 GMT
...there's a fascinating insight as to the songs that influenced John Lennon in the shape of a 2 CD set named 'John Lennon's Jukebox'. It's well worth hunting down. I've appended a track list below and as you can see, The Animals, Donovan and The Big Three seem to be the only British recordings featured on the CDs. Apparently, the original jukebox belonging to John was 'discovered' with the singles still intact. You can read about it at this web link : www.jpgr.co.uk/col_vtdcd608.htmlI have this CD and would definitely recommend it. Here is a list of the actual singles in John Lennon's jukebox (one unknown single is missing from the list). Arthur Alexander: "You Better Move On" c/w "A Shot of Rhythm and Blues" 1961 The Animals: "Bring It on Home to Me" c/w "For Miss Caulker" 1965 Richie Barrett: "Some Other Guy" c/w "Tricky Dicky" 1962 Len Barry: "1, 2, 3" c/w "Bullseye" 1965 Fontella Bass: "Rescue Me" c/w "The Soul of a Man" 1965 Chuck Berry: "No Particular Place to Go" c/w "You Two" 1964 The Big Three: "Some Other Guy" c/w "Let True Love Begin" 1963 Gary US Bonds: "New Orleans" c/w "Please Forgive Me" 1960 Gary US Bonds: "Quarter to Three" c/w "Time Ole Story" 1961 Booker T. & the MG's: "Boot-leg" c/w "Outrage" 1965 Bruce Channel: "Hey! Baby" c/w "Dream Girl" 1962 The Contours: "First I Look at the Purse" c/w "Can You Do It?" 1965 Donovan: "Turquoise" c/w "Hey Gyp (Dig the Slowness)" 1965 Bob Dylan: "Positively 4th Street" c/w "From a Buick 6" 1965 Buddy Holly: "Brown Eyed Handsome Man" c/w "Slippin' and Slidin'" 1959 The Isley Brothers: "Twist and Shout" c/w "Spanish Twist" 1962 Little Richard: "Long Tall Sally" c/w "Slippin' and Slidin'" 1956 Little Richard: "Ooh! My Soul" c/w "True Fine Mama" 1958 The Lovin' Spoonful: "Daydream" c/w "Night Owl Blues" 1966 The Lovin' Spoonful: "Do You Believe in Magic" c/w "On the Road Again" 1965 Derek Martin: "Daddy Rollin' Stone" c/w "Don't Put Me Down Like This" 1963 Jimmy McCracklin: "The Walk" c/w "I'm to Blame" 1958 The Miracles: "Shop Around" c/w "Who's Lovin' You" 1960 The Miracles: "Ain't It Baby" c/w "The Only One I Love" 1961 The Miracles: "What's So Good About Goodbye?" c/w "I've Been Good to You" 1961 The Miracles: "The Tracks of My Tears" c/w "A Fork in the Road" 1965 Bobby Parker: "Watch Your Step" c/w "Steal Your Heart Away" 1961 Wilson Pickett: "In the Midnight Hour" c/w "I'm Not Tired" 1965 Wilson Pickett: "It's Too Late" c/w "I'm Gonna Leave You" 1963 James Ray: "If You Gotta Make a Fool of Somebody" c/w "It's Been a Drag" 1961 Otis Redding: "My Girl" c/w "Down in the Valley" 1965 Paul Revere & the Raiders: "Steppin' Out" c/w "Blue Fox" 1965 Timmy Shaw: "Gonna Send You Back to Georgia" c/w "I'm a Lonely Guy" 1963 Edwin Starr: "Agent Double-O Soul" c/w "Back Street" 1965 Barrett Strong: "Money (That's What I Want)" c/w "Oh I Apologize" 1959 Tommy Tucker: "Hi-Heel Sneakers" c/w "I Don't Want 'Cha" 1963 Gene Vincent: "Be-Bop-A-Lula" c/w "Woman Love" 1956 Larry Williams: "Short Fat Fannie" c/w "High School Dance" 1957 Larry Williams: "She Said, Yeah" c/w "Bad Boy" 1959
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Post by hmmmmm on May 29, 2011 5:53:16 GMT
In relation to the above posts regarding John's jukebox, this upload of The Southbank Show is invaluable. Though not covering the whole list, it has several of the artists commenting and old interview audio of John remarking on some of the artists, The only down point, for me anyway, is Sting appears. In 6 parts, starting with this:- As to British influences, Radio 4 a couple or so years back, broadcast, George on George...George Harrison was a big fan of George Formby, and he remarks on how When I'm 64 is very Formbyesque. Incidentally, George last public performance was with Dhani at a George Formby convention, where the mebers were sworn to secrecy about it. Now, I'd love to have a bootleg of that!
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Post by hmmmmm on May 29, 2011 6:03:12 GMT
Sorry Beatle people, disregard that start here instruction, this is the kick off point:- and it's in 14 parts, which is even better.
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Post by hmmmmm on May 29, 2011 7:48:08 GMT
The influence according to Paul. The embedding is disabled, so it's a double click on the screen to watch it there.
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Post by The End on May 29, 2011 18:46:29 GMT
Good tuff! Thanks for posting these - I missed that South Bank Show when it first aired, so nice to finally have the opportunity to see it!
I have the John Lennon Juke Box CD too - rather annoyingly it uses the re-recorded 1970's version of Some Other Guy by The Big 3, which is awful!
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Post by hmmmmm on May 30, 2011 5:58:07 GMT
Hi TE, Having decided to rewatch it after posting, There are 4, or 5 segments that have now been blocked for copyright infringement by the various record companies. Which is a shame.
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Post by The End on May 30, 2011 23:35:42 GMT
Grrrr typical! Cheers anyway though
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Post by hmmmmm on Jun 6, 2011 13:45:26 GMT
Grrrr typical! Cheers anyway though They can't beat t'intrnet though, Al, you'll find the full documentary here, right near the top, complete too. beatlesnumber9.com/clips.html
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Post by KeepUnderCover on Jun 15, 2011 1:17:03 GMT
I know that Chuck Berry was a huge influence on all of them. Especially John Lennon, who idolized him.
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Post by tkitna on Jun 17, 2011 7:46:32 GMT
I have the John Lennon Juke Box CD too - rather annoyingly it uses the re-recorded 1970's version of Some Other Guy by The Big 3, which is awful! Thanks Al. Was thinking about picking that up after reading this thread until your post. 'Some other Guy' was one of the bigger selling points for me.
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