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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:54:22 GMT
Hi Beatle People - hope you're all having a nice Bank Holiday weekend. If you're reading this after Monday, hope you had a nice long weekend.
Just watched Brian Wilson in concert on TV. It was from 2002 in London. Now a lot has been written about the mutual influences of The Beach Boys on The Beatles and vice versa. It's fair to say that if it wasn't for Rubber Soul, there would have been no Pet Sounds, at least not the brilliant and superb album we've come to know and love. And without Pet Sounds, who knows? We may have had a different 'Pepper' album, inconceivable as that may sound.
Brian Wilson, despite his health problems and mental issues was, to me anyway, a pure musical genius. All the more so because he was totally deaf in his right ear which makes the stereo separation on Pet Sounds quite remarkable.
Anyway, here's a clip from that concert and this is one of the most beautiful and poignant of all The Beach Boys songs. Take note of what Brian says when he's introducing the song. Very interesting?
This is 'God Only Knows'
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Post by The End on May 5, 2010 15:44:59 GMT
Not wishing to call into question Brian Wilson's genius (you won't get any argument from me in that regard) but was Pet Sounds released in proper stereo in back in 1966? I thought it was only available in 'processed' stereo, i.e. treble in the left channel and bass in the right (or vice versa) until it was remastered on CD a few years back in 'true' stereo. Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 18:28:05 GMT
Not wishing to call into question Brian Wilson's genius (you won't get any argument from me in that regard) but was Pet Sounds released in proper stereo in back in 1966? I thought it was only available in 'processed' stereo, i.e. treble in the left channel and bass in the right (or vice versa) until it was remastered on CD a few years back in 'true' stereo. Any thoughts? No it wasn't Al. You're absolutely right. I was thinking of something I had read about Brian and the way he he used to record tracks for Beach Boys albums. This little snippet from a write up of Pet Sounds backs up what you said. "These backing tracks were then dubbed down onto one track of an 8-track recorder (at Columbia studio, the only facility in LA with an 8-track), and, although much of the fine detail in the arrangements was often covered by the group's rich vocal harmonies, they interacted effectively with the vocal tracks. This mono recording meant that a stereo mixdown could not be achieved. Wilson's partial deafness made him indifferent to stereo and it was not until the advent of digital recording that it was possible to combine the instrumental and vocal session-tapes to achieve a true stereo release" I think I need to increase my medication! By the way, what's your take on McCartney telling Wilson that 'God Only Knows' was his favourite song?
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Post by The End on May 5, 2010 21:55:08 GMT
Ah! Of course I knew I was right! LOL! It's available in amazing REAL stereo now though of course.
I can only agree with Macca cos God only Knows is in my top 5 favourite songs of all-time too! One of THE most beautiful melodies ever written and one of a handful of songs that makes me wanna cry whenever hear it!!!
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Post by Destroygoats on Aug 5, 2010 20:32:22 GMT
I don't think The Beach Boys influenced the Beatles I think it was a competition. Sgt. Peppers and Pet Sounds for example.
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Post by mrmustard on Aug 6, 2010 14:10:22 GMT
I don't think The Beach Boys influenced the Beatles I think it was a competition. Sgt. Peppers and Pet Sounds for example. There are two well known interviews. One in which Brian Wilson openly admits how both rubber soul and revolver greatly influenced him and how pet sounds influenced McCartney for certain tracks on sgt pepper. Without doubt they influenced each other
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Post by The End on Aug 7, 2010 16:59:12 GMT
Obviously the Beach Boys "sound" (ie their music style) didn't really influence The Beatles (apart from Back in The USSR!) but their instrumentation did, for example the bass harmonicas utilised quite heavily on Pet Sounds were also on the Sgt Pepper album. Also, didn't Paul get a Fender bass after hearing Brian Wilson play it?
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Post by Destroygoats on Aug 23, 2010 22:48:08 GMT
All I have to say is without one the other would have been different from how they were. How different? Only God Knows.
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Post by richardsnow on Sept 1, 2010 17:53:37 GMT
You can hear a big beach boy influence on "Penny Lane", "Here there and everywhere"
Some one already mentioned the use of Bass harmonica on "Mr kite" etc Paul's bass playing all over pepper is very "pet sounds" Especially "With a little help" and "Fixing a hole"
the animal noises at the end of good morning, see the dogs at the end of "Caroline no"
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Post by percysands on May 2, 2011 7:22:30 GMT
The Beach Boys are an American rock band, formed in 1961 in Hawthorne, California.He is one of popular music's most deeply revered figures, the main creative force behind some of the most cherished recordings in rock history. Indeed, it is no exaggeration to call Brian Wilson one of the most influential composers of the last century.
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Post by henryj on Jul 19, 2013 1:13:23 GMT
Listen to the background vocals on "I' m Waiting for the Day" from the Beach Boys' 1966 album, Pet Sounds, then listen to the Beatles' 1967 single, "All You Need is Love."
OTOH, the Beach Boys song "Girl Don't Tell Me," from their 1965 Summer Days (and Summer Nights) album, is a little over the top in its imitation of the Beatles' "Ticket to Ride" and should have been re-written to be a little more original, but the Beach Boys were being pressured by Capitol to put out product.
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Post by The End on Jul 24, 2013 13:21:34 GMT
I'll have to have another listen to I'm Waiting for the Day as I'd not drawn that reference before! But totally agree on Girl Don't Tell Me - great song (Carl's first lead vocal?) but yeah, a complete rip off of Ticket to Ride right down to the phrasing of "Ri-i-ide" and Wr-i-ite"!
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Post by klang on Jul 24, 2013 13:43:03 GMT
These influences and counter influences among the artistic elite of the times were abound in number and dutifully effective in culture.Excellent case in point here,"Norwegian Wood"'s direct influence on Bob Dylan's "Second Time Around".The Beatles and Beach Boys impacted one another to the point where both bands wound up delivering some of the most inspiration driven works of all time.As far as "Pet Sounds" influence on "Pepper",I hear strong hints of "Sounds"'s technical styles to be nearly omnipresent on "Pepper".The thrust of the creative cycle was this."Rubber Soul" came from Dylan."Pet Sounds" came from "Rubber Soul","Here There and Everywhere" and "Pepper" bounced from "Pet Sounds".After "Pepper" the game was really ON!
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Post by obsessed on Jun 11, 2015 21:12:04 GMT
Hi - this is my first post so I apologize if I'm doing it wrong. I've just finished a project of playing through the basic chords of every Beatles song in the key of C to look for patterns. I'm now starting on the same with Brian Wilson, having been intrigued for years with Paul McCartney's obsession with him. As soon as I got to "Shut Down" I noticed the use of D major and F minor in very Beatle-esque ways, but what prompted me to post was "Be True to Your School". This song has perhaps the stupidest lyrics of all time. If Wilson had been Lennon's songwriting partner you can only imagine the profanity laced rebuke he would've gotten for this one, BUT ... oh my God ... listen to the line "... and let your colors fly" - Am to F7 - it's just like Glass Onion and so many others and THEN ... the coup de grace ... from F7 to that same luscious D major. Wow. And listen to the harmonized rise over the G pedal - long before Day Tripper and Good Vibrations. And this was released in October, 1963. So the parallels begin long before the more famous Rubber Soul to Pet Sounds to Revolver to Good Vibrations to insanity sequence. As a postscript, I discovered a Kindle book called "The Songwriting Secrets of the Beatles" that is quite a revelation if you're interested in this kind of geekery. So far, my sense is that Wilson started down this harmonic road while the Beatles were having a field day reinventing Motown, Carole King and Bacharach. But this early Wilson stuff provided a lot of inspirations for their 1964-1965 period. (Note that all the chords I'm mentioning are as they would be in the key of C - Be True to Your School is actually in D). I might also add that D (II) and Fmi (iv) appear in nearly every pre-1960 Broadway show tune, but in a totally different way from the way the Beatles used them - they (and Wilson in this case) use them as stand alone colors that can come and go from any other chord, rather than having to be prepared in the cliché ways that the show tune guys used them - of course the Beatles also used them in the standard ways - especially the D7 at the end of the middle 8). Finally, I'm 100% certain that The Beatles checked out this song and would give anything to have been a fly on the wall as they marveled over the chords in full "nick mode" while pillorying the lyric with a savage dose of Liverpudlian cruelty. "Rah rah rah rah sis boom bah" indeed!
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Post by henryj on Jun 20, 2015 21:56:19 GMT
And today is Brian Wilson's 73rd birthday. He's two days younger than Paul McCartney, another top-harmony singing, bass-playing genius songwriter.
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Post by ROCKY on Sept 12, 2015 2:20:38 GMT
Just finished watching 'Love & Mercy'. Thought it was a pretty good movie. The actors that portrayed the two villians in the movie, Eugene Landy & Murry Wilson, I thought were excellent.
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Post by henryj on Sept 12, 2015 11:58:13 GMT
I'll have to see Love and Mercy if Netflix ever gets it.
Is the guy who plays Carl fat or thin? In all the other BB biopics, they get lean actors to play Carl, who was pudgy in real life. They may have been going for people with pleasant, high-pitched voices.
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