I'm new here, but would like to pick your brains about the Love Me Do/PS I Love You sessions.
Basically, I'm trying to formulate a theory that the version on the 1962 single was in fact Andy White, and that Ringo was on the Please Please Me LP. (ie the other way around to the accepted version of events.)
A problem with my theory is that the LP version, which officially has Andy White on, was recorded on the same day as PS I Love You (Sep 11), and officially, Andy drums on that too, as would be expected.
My question is - what is the real, hard evidence that Andy White drums on PS I Love You? Does it come via Mark Lewisohn's research? What are the known facts (eg is there a studio log)?
If there's nothing solid linking Andy with PS I Love You, than my theory looks better.
Well, the 50th anniversary is not so far away now and I expect there'll be plenty of media coverage.
I've got an idea I might write something myself, which I've been musing lately. I know it's still a way off, but I've kind of been puzzling over it.
Ringo says he's on the LP - and he should know better than anyone. I would really like to know what the supposed facts are - how do we know for sure Andy White was on the LP - and that Andy drummed on PS I Love You Too? That's what I'm trying to find out.
OK, I've done a bit of research... the two versions in question were recorded on Tuesday 4 September 1962 and Tuesday 11 September 1962.
In the first edition of Mark Lewisohn's book "The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions", Andy White's EMI 'Session Fees & Expenses' sheet is reproduced on page 20. According to that sheet, Andy White was paid a session fee for work done on 11 September 1962, however, there is no entry for 4 September 1962. In my opinion, this evidence corroborates the story that Andy White's version is on the LP and Ringo's version was on the initial release of the UK single (which was later changed to Andy White's version in 1963).
Brilliant - thanks for the info. Looks like Andy White definitely played on the recordings made on 11th. I agree, this looks conclusive, as the tambourine on the LP version means Andy was in the drummer's seat, Ringo not, and it was made on 11th.
Therefore the other version, Ringo drumming, was made on 4th.
Does the document actually state "Love Me Do" and "PS I Love You" as the tracks Andy recorded that day?
Interesting. This contradicts the memory of George Martin, he says he had hired Andy White to sit in after the failure with Pete Best in June. Plus he was quite surprised that The Beatles showed up with another drummer. But this proves that Andy didn't sit in until September 11th, so that is AFTER Ringo had had his opportunity to drum Love Me Do.
Thanks again for the info. As Bobber says above, it seems odd that George hired Andy after Ringo had already made a cut good enough to come out as the single. Even if the Ringo cut was put on the 45 by accident, it sounds perfectly good to my ears, and not requiring a remake a week later.
It all seems unnecessary, which is part of the reason I thought maybe Andy went first (on Septmber 4th), before George Martin knew Ringo was in the group, but that the facts had got mixed up over the years.
But as I say, the document seems pretty conclusive, and Andy did the remake - and therefore PS I Love You too.
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