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Post by Amadeus on Nov 12, 2018 23:53:17 GMT
There is a 27 minute version of Helter Skelter. Wow never knew that. Recorded on the same day as take 2. The 27 minute version is take 3. But it's probably similar to take 2. A 5 minute excerpt of take 2 was included on Anthology 3.
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Post by henryj on Nov 13, 2018 0:57:50 GMT
Mr. Kite and Mr. Bongo and LovelyRita and all the others who have it--would it be possible to review it? Tell is the high points. If there are any weaknesses let us know that too.
Thanks!
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Nov 13, 2018 11:23:31 GMT
Mr. Kite and Mr. Bongo and LovelyRita and all the others who have it--would it be possible to review it? Tell is the high points. If there are any weaknesses let us know that too. Thanks! Although i picked this up last due to work commitments it'll be Sunday before i have a full day off to go through this album but i'll give my two cents when i've digested it. I'm particularly looking forward to The Esher demos which is something i've never had , i love these windows into their world as it was with the different takes on The Sgt Pepper that we got last year.
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Post by Amadeus on Nov 13, 2018 19:47:17 GMT
So far the only thing I don't like about the re-mix is the fact that 'blisters on my fingers' has been shoved in the background. It's supposed to be up front and grating! Also the guitar in 'Savoy Truffle' has been subdued, presumably for the brass to be more prominent. But I love the fact that the voice comes in too soon 'accidentally' after the solo on Happiness is a warm gun. I always missed that on the mono version of the lp. You need the vocal fader to come up too soon. I've been hearing it that way for 50 years.
I love all the sessions and alt. takes. And the fact that the Escher demos were first gen. tapes from George's archive. Not 3rd or 4th gen. bootlegs. Because I only have the thing on mp3 I can't comment on the book or the 5.1 mix. I'm desperate to have them so,...….. go fund me!
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Nov 15, 2018 13:30:23 GMT
Well sadly Muse's new album has gone number one followed by Olly Murs , The Beatles are there at number 3.
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Post by henryj on Nov 15, 2018 21:03:21 GMT
Where does one find the 27-minute version of "Helter Skelter?" Bootleg? The 6-CD box as shown on Amazon's site just shows a 12-minute version.
Thanks.
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Post by Amadeus on Nov 15, 2018 21:45:18 GMT
The 27 Minute version has never escaped abbey road. Neither has the 8 or 9 Minute take 1. They're holed up with Carnival Of Light awaiting the 100th aniversary sets for Pepper and the white album. I plan on getting them in 2067 and 2068.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Nov 17, 2018 11:34:56 GMT
There's a two page article on The White Album in the Times today with a lovely picture taken from A Mad Day Out.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Nov 22, 2018 11:13:51 GMT
Mr. Kite and Mr. Bongo and LovelyRita and all the others who have it--would it be possible to review it? Tell is the high points. If there are any weaknesses let us know that too. Thanks! Although i picked this up last due to work commitments it'll be Sunday before i have a full day off to go through this album but i'll give my two cents when i've digested it. I'm particularly looking forward to The Esher demos which is something i've never had , i love these windows into their world as it was with the different takes on The Sgt Pepper that we got last year. only got round to listening the album on Sunday and the Esher demos yesterday . Stand out tracks on the album for me Sexy Sadie and Helter Skelter which have always been my favourites on this most varied of Beatles albums. The Esher demos which i've never had even on bootlegs were an absolute joy , it was like being in the studio with them . I don't normally notice any discernible difference in sound on remasters but this i thought the sound was crystal clear . My only little gripe is that Helter Skelter is not on the esher demos(vinyl edition). I expect other people on the forum will be better at explaining the sound than i am.
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Post by henryj on Nov 22, 2018 12:36:23 GMT
I haven't heard anything on the new edition of the white album, or the Esher demos.
But if they are crystal clear, here is what I am guessing: That they are bare-bones recordings, and nothing was copied from one tape recorder to another tape recorder (a second generation) to allow room (additional tracks) for other parts to be dubbed over. The advantage of 16- or 30-track recorders over 4- and 8-track recorders was not having so many generations.
I'm guessing that the Esher demos are first-generation recordings. A copy of a copy of a copy does not sound nearly as clear as the first generation.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Nov 22, 2018 13:15:10 GMT
I haven't heard anything on the new edition of the white album, or the Esher demos. But if they are crystal clear, here is what I am guessing: That they are bare-bones recordings, and nothing was copied from one tape recorder to another tape recorder (a second generation) to allow room (additional tracks) for other parts to be dubbed over. The advantage of 16- or 30-track recorders over 4- and 8-track recorders was not having so many generations. I'm guessing that the Esher demos are first-generation recordings. A copy of a copy of a copy does not sound nearly as clear as the first generation. it seems Harrison had a fantastic studio in his home. As i say some of this forum who know about these technical details could elaborate more.
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Post by henryj on Nov 22, 2018 14:22:25 GMT
I'm sure that by the time the white album was being recorded, George could afford lots of tracks in his own machine. And it seems like the first McCartney album was recorded at home.
Off-topic, but when I first heard the McCartney album, with it's overdriven guitar parts,I thought, wouldn't that wake the baby (Mary, who was shown on the back cover peeking out from Paul's coat)?
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Post by Amadeus on Nov 23, 2018 20:18:37 GMT
He did it so you don't have to!
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Post by pothos on Nov 23, 2018 23:04:05 GMT
I enjoyed that. Informative. I like the new mix sounds a lot; its warmer but to be honest considering the technology they had 50 years ago they created a great sound. I will say this. Since I started listening to The White Album I have grown to like it a lot. It is or at least it was for me; the most difficult Beatles LP to get into but ultimately incredibly rewarding. It say a lot that 50 years earlier from 1968 WW1 was ending and 50 years on some of The Beatles output still sounds not only contemporary but ground breaking.
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Post by henryj on Nov 24, 2018 1:08:33 GMT
"Warmer" was certainly the first word that came to my mind.
But was the 1980 version just a smidgen faster? I suspect that with fewer spiral revolutions, they would have made it just a little louder,since the groove would have been wider.
Q. How many grooves does an LP have?
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Post by Bongo on Dec 26, 2018 1:34:04 GMT
To be brutally honest, I don't hear a big improvement over the 2009 CD. I sold mine after I put it in iTunes, and don't even listen to it anymore. Same goes with the 2017 Pepper.
I'll probably buy the new Abbey Road and do the same....
Now I'm starting to think it's blaspheme to touch George Martins stuff, but do like what was done to the 2009 remasters....
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Dec 26, 2018 12:34:07 GMT
He did it so you don't have to! [/video][/quote] Very knowledgeable and informative and this chap has marvellous diction. I agreed with everything . The White album is the Beatles stripped back compared to the lavish sounds of Pepper so we were never going to notice much difference in sound with the album, however even i noticed how crystal clear the Esher Demos sounded. I got the 4 vinyl issue.
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