pepperman
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Post by pepperman on Sept 4, 2009 21:29:28 GMT
Hi Al,glad Peaches agrees with me about Sundays show with Nube 9.As I stated not only were they made to wait 30 minutes,they then had to suffer Bill H who was pxxxxed out of his head trying to join in with them and making himself look a right pratt.Also Neil B was very rude to Lucrecia at one stage and told her to shut up!I know everyone is ther to have a good time but we pay good money to see the bands,and if that is the best new talent for 25 years in Mr H's view he needs to get out and about more.
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elementrypenguin
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Post by elementrypenguin on Sept 4, 2009 21:57:04 GMT
Oh i missed it. i would'nt have gone to the liverpool thing,but i would've celebrated it in a way like making a some cover versions of songs and playing beatles songs all day,make parodies,do a beatles animated music video (but i am doing that anyway. i'm going to do quite a few. it's for Help! by the way. well,that's my first one anyway.)
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Post by allthingsmustpass on Sept 4, 2009 22:54:28 GMT
Re: Bill Heckle at the Adelphi
When he got on stage to introduce his 'find' he said that he'd made a mistake with the programme by not including them in the Adelphi show - a bit of a smack in the mouth for Nube 9 who were waiting in the wings.
Whilst the act was on, I went for a walk around the Adelphi to the other bars - and they were full of people who had been in the ballroom watching Clube Big Beatles moments before.
People had gone there to watch Clube Big Beatles and Nube 9 - arguably two of the best bands there who both do very faithful covers of the original tracks. Bearing in mind that's what the crowd was there for, there's no surprise half of them disappeared the second Marcello appeared on stage with his modern take on them.
But after all that, Nube 9 put on an absolutely fantastic show. When everyone was stood up and screaming for more, I think Bill H and Neil B realised they'd have a riot on their hands if they didn't let Nube 9 do an encore.
It was great to see Jan Britten Owen and Jay from Instant Karma join Nube 9 on stage - but not so great to see Bill H prancing around thinking he was the star of the show because he'd arranged it all.
Bottom line is that most people would do anything to have his job - and rather than turn Beatle Week into his own personal X-Factor, Bill H ought to realise it's about giving the crowd what they want - after all, everyone has paid enough to be there for it!
Bill - stick to what you're good at, stay behind the scenes and away from the stage (we've not paid to watch you staggering around drunk... we have Allan Williams for that) and give us what we want... then we'll all be happy.
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 5, 2009 13:16:06 GMT
I couldn't agree more with the comments about Bill Heckle. It was totally unnaceptable to delay Nube 9 like that. I'm sure it was a last minute drunken decision but why couldn't he put 'his new find' on at the beinning of the evening?
I can't tell you how many times I've been going to Beatleweek and finding Heckle in a complete drunken stooper making a total arsehole of himself on stage. Unfortunately he's top dog and there is no one to say no to him, drunk or sober.
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wilf
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Post by wilf on Sept 7, 2009 12:26:37 GMT
Sorry, but I have to jump in here in defence of Mr Heckle. First of all, I saw the new act in the Cavern Club on the Saturday afternoon, and they were absolutely fantastic. I was gobsmacked to be honest. Second, I think you all know how much work goes into the preparation of Beatleweek (in fact, planning for next year's festival has already begun). Bill and his team (all of them, but most of all Ray, who doesn't sleep for a whole week) are doing a fantastic job before, during and after the week. So, they should also be allowed to have some fun and a few drinks during Beatleweek.
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Post by The End on Sept 7, 2009 13:16:08 GMT
I couldn't agree more, Wilf. The CCT team work very hard and absolutely deserve to have fun and enjoy a few drinks. However, on the basis of other people's comments (as I wasn't there!) it seems that there may have been a certain lack of professionalism on some occasions.
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Post by revolverdundee on Sept 7, 2009 13:38:06 GMT
I also thought that the brazilian guy was amazing. I saw him in America Bar really late one night, then again in the Cavern, and again at the adelphi. I have to say though, i think what he does is kind of lost on a big stage like in the ballroom. Enjoyed it much more in the more intimate venues.
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 7, 2009 18:31:34 GMT
Sorry, but I have to jump in here in defence of Mr Heckle. First of all, I saw the new act in the Cavern Club on the Saturday afternoon, and they were absolutely fantastic. I was gobsmacked to be honest. Second, I think you all know how much work goes into the preparation of Beatleweek (in fact, planning for next year's festival has already begun). Bill and his team (all of them, but most of all Ray, who doesn't sleep for a whole week) are doing a fantastic job before, during and after the week. So, they should also be allowed to have some fun and a few drinks during Beatleweek. I don't think anyone is denying that a lot of hard work is put into Beatleweek or that the staff deserve a few drinks. It's more the innappropriateness of changing the running order on a whim (a drunken one) on convention day thus putting out Nube 9 and people who came to see Nube 9. I saw the Brazilian guitarist/singer in the Cavern pub on the Tuesday. It was a great show and someone I would like to see again. However just because Bill Heckle runs the show does not mean he should change the advertised bands just because he thinks someone is great, especially when he is drunk.
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pepperman
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Post by pepperman on Sept 7, 2009 18:52:34 GMT
agree with mrmustard.I am not saying plenty of hard work goes into the week,but Bill Heckles behaviour was not acceptable,we do not pay our money to see him drunk and change the running order just because he can.Own goal Bill,by all means have a few drinks but do not make a show of yourself in public.
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alix
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Post by alix on Sept 7, 2009 19:50:14 GMT
Bill can't change the running order. Lets just hope Paul or Ringo don't turn up on whim one year wanting to play/talk to the crowds!
As someone who's boss regularly is drunk at the end of the night and uses the phrase 'i work hard so i play hard' to explain away her behaviour; i'm gonna say this - if the drunk is in charge they will move the goal posts. The fact that it extended the evening in the Ballroom isn't being complained about. Think of the hotel's staff who wanted to go home that night, who's never ending shifts were pushed nearer to not ending.
Everyone knows when Bill gets a few drinks in him, he's prone to invading the stage - he's done it to The Overtures in previous years (this year he was quite rude about it when doing Mickel's Induction - distracting phil mid song by bashing him on the knee), he's forever invading the Tearaways and it became an annual thing for him to invade Rocks Off complete with broom.
Most the acts take it in good nature as part of the fun. If it helps think of bruno koshmider/the bouncer or who ever it was that used to get up in hamburg with the Beatles and sing a few numbers.
Without Bill we wouldn't have this event, it would have ended in the 80s when Beat City closed and the MerseyBeatle Weekender ceased. He and his team took on the event and built it up to be the premier Beatle based event in the world. Sure part of the success lies in it being Liverpool and bands just wanna play the Cavern but Billy H plans those big gigs and gets the likes of Donovan to come and play and Rusty Anderson to join in the fun - and people like that don't need to appear at little gatherings of Beatle fans.
will vacate my soap box
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 7, 2009 19:57:34 GMT
Bill can't change the running order. Lets just hope Paul or Ringo don't turn up on whim one year wanting to play/talk to the crowds! As someone who's boss regularly is drunk at the end of the night and uses the phrase 'i work hard so i play hard' to explain away her behaviour; i'm gonna say this - if the drunk is in charge they will move the goal posts. The fact that it extended the evening in the Ballroom isn't being complained about. Think of the hotel's staff who wanted to go home that night, who's never ending shifts were pushed nearer to not ending. Everyone knows when Bill gets a few drinks in him, he's prone to invading the stage - he's done it to The Overtures in previous years (this year he was quite rude about it when doing Mickel's Induction - distracting phil mid song by bashing him on the knee), he's forever invading the Tearaways and it became an annual thing for him to invade Rocks Off complete with broom. Most the acts take it in good nature as part of the fun. If it helps think of bruno koshmider/the bouncer or who ever it was that used to get up in hamburg with the Beatles and sing a few numbers. Without Bill we wouldn't have this event, it would have ended in the 80s when Beat City closed and the MerseyBeatle Weekender ceased. He and his team took on the event and built it up to be the premier Beatle based event in the world. Sure part of the success lies in it being Liverpool and bands just wanna play the Cavern but Billy H plans those big gigs and gets the likes of Donovan to come and play and Rusty Anderson to join in the fun - and people like that don't need to appear at little gatherings of Beatle fans. will vacate my soap box ....Erm, I think you are missing the point somewhat.
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alix
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Post by alix on Sept 7, 2009 22:45:46 GMT
Bill can't change the running order. Lets just hope Paul or Ringo don't turn up on whim one year wanting to play/talk to the crowds! As someone who's boss regularly is drunk at the end of the night and uses the phrase 'i work hard so i play hard' to explain away her behaviour; i'm gonna say this - if the drunk is in charge they will move the goal posts. The fact that it extended the evening in the Ballroom isn't being complained about. Think of the hotel's staff who wanted to go home that night, who's never ending shifts were pushed nearer to not ending. Everyone knows when Bill gets a few drinks in him, he's prone to invading the stage - he's done it to The Overtures in previous years (this year he was quite rude about it when doing Mickel's Induction - distracting phil mid song by bashing him on the knee), he's forever invading the Tearaways and it became an annual thing for him to invade Rocks Off complete with broom. Most the acts take it in good nature as part of the fun. If it helps think of bruno koshmider/the bouncer or who ever it was that used to get up in hamburg with the Beatles and sing a few numbers. Without Bill we wouldn't have this event, it would have ended in the 80s when Beat City closed and the MerseyBeatle Weekender ceased. He and his team took on the event and built it up to be the premier Beatle based event in the world. Sure part of the success lies in it being Liverpool and bands just wanna play the Cavern but Billy H plans those big gigs and gets the likes of Donovan to come and play and Rusty Anderson to join in the fun - and people like that don't need to appear at little gatherings of Beatle fans. will vacate my soap box ....Erm, I think you are missing the point somewhat. quite likely I was reading threads on two forums at once and it seems that Bill & CCT are coming underfire from all directions this year. stuff like Bill's pratting around happen every year - take it as a mark of respect as I've only ever seen him do it to the best bands at BW. I know it's annoying and a pain in the arse but after all this time i don't see it changing. Must admit i wasn't at the Nube9 gig - i was at the Cavern - from what i heard the more embarrassing thing for the band was Jan Owen struggling to remember the words everytime Nube 9 queued him to take lead.
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Post by The End on Sept 7, 2009 22:54:24 GMT
from what i heard the more embarrassing thing for the band was Jan Owen struggling to remember the words everytime Nube 9 queued him to take lead. Apparently Jan Owen was being bashed on the head with a dustbin lid and poked with a broom handle by Neil and Bill throughout his performance with Nube 9 - a bit of a distraction!
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Post by allthingsmustpass on Sept 7, 2009 23:05:47 GMT
The Continuing Story of Cavern Bill Just to reiterate, I don't think that anyone is knocking the work that Bill and the team do - and I'm sure that everyone has attended a Beatle Week in the past is very grateful to them all.
However, Bill isn't bigger than Beatle Week - it doesn't belong to him.... it belongs to the hundreds and thousands of people who descend on Liverpool to actually make it what it is - and ultimately, it belongs to those four lads that everyone is there to celebrate. Sadly a little bit of 'power' (and countless pints) can go to someone's head and fill them with an unjustified sense of self-importance.
We all appreciate the work that the CCT team do - but there are plenty of people out there who will happily take over arranging it when Bill steps down. No one is indispensable. Put simply, if Bill said tomorrow that BW09 was his last, I'm certain there'd still be a BW10 with the same number of performers and special guests.
The attraction is Liverpool and The Beatles - not Bill Heckle and CCT.
Everyone is entitled to have a drink - but if a member of the public had been doing what Bill was doing, people would have gone mad. I don't accept the 'that's just the way he is when drunk' way of thinking - bottom line he's there to do a job - not make himself look like a drunken a*se on stage. If he's absolutely drunk, then he shouldn't be in a position to make any decisions on the running order etc - 'cos he's proved this year what that can do!
I Don't Want To Spoil The Party Back to convention day; personally I didn't rate the Brazillian guy - I'm not saying he wasn't talented - just not my cup of tea. There were plenty of other bars or venues for him to be 'showcased' at that would have been much better suited to what he was doing.
And there is no disputing the fact that the second Heckle introduced him, the ballroom was half as full as it was only minutes earlier. I made a point of walking to the other bars to take a look at what happened when he came on - and it was full of people who were watching Clube Big Beatles a few minutes before.
A Hard Day's Night I don't think anyone is complaining about the show going on any longer - but then nor am I particularly glad it did! After a very long convention day (and a late night the previous night... and the night before that... oh, and the night before!), I was glad to finally get back to my bed. I'm sure Nube 9 and the Adelphi All-Star band would still have been on stage for the same amount of time - the show would've just finished at the advertised time has Marcello not been on.
All You Need Is Love To finish on a happy note - and in Ringo style - peace and love, peace and love.
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alix
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Post by alix on Sept 7, 2009 23:06:35 GMT
from what i heard the more embarrassing thing for the band was Jan Owen struggling to remember the words everytime Nube 9 queued him to take lead. Apparently Jan Owen was being bashed on the head with a dustbin lid and poked with a broom handle by Neil and Bill throughout his performance with Nube 9 - a bit of a distraction! from the way my mate's were telling it, it sounded like he was struggling a bit before they started on him
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Post by The End on Sept 8, 2009 0:01:36 GMT
I guess we can only go by what we've both been told, but someone I know filmed Jan Owen's performance and told me they were getting at him from the start poking with a broomstick - I'll try to get them to post it here, so I guess we'll find out soon enough Again, I should reiterate that I didn't see any of this, nor have I in the past - I'm just going by reports from other people and, based on that, it would appear that some behaviour was unprofessional. I would never knock Cavern City Tours as everyone has always been really friendly and helpful, especially when Eileen Downey kicked me out of the Adelphi a day early the other year! So I honestly could not fault them!
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 8, 2009 17:50:20 GMT
especially when Eileen Downey kicked me out of the Adelphi a day early the other year! Why did she kick you out? To get kicked out of the Adelphi you must have done something really bad!
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 8, 2009 17:52:04 GMT
Well put All Things Must Pass.
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Post by The End on Sept 8, 2009 21:57:50 GMT
especially when Eileen Downey kicked me out of the Adelphi a day early the other year! Why did she kick you out? To get kicked out of the Adelphi you must have done something really bad! She kicked me out because CCT hadn't passed on details of my extra night's stay and despite me having my confirmation letter stating how many nights I had paid for, she he would not listen.
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 8, 2009 22:44:56 GMT
Why did she kick you out? To get kicked out of the Adelphi you must have done something really bad! She kicked me out because CCT hadn't passed on details of my extra night's stay and despite me having my confirmation letter stating how many nights I had paid for, she he would not listen. What a cow!
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