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Post by pothos on Dec 1, 2017 10:01:56 GMT
Here is something I wanted to ask you for a while.
Because The Beatles playing live always coincided with the stadiums of screaming fans how much did their live work suffer. I know this triggered the retreat to the studio but you wonder what hearing them live properly and how they could have developed is frustrating.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Dec 1, 2017 12:20:39 GMT
Here is something I wanted to ask you for a while.
Because The Beatles playing live always coincided with the stadiums of screaming fans how much did their live work suffer. I know this triggered the retreat to the studio but you wonder what hearing them live properly and how they could have developed is frustrating. treat yourself to Live at The Hollywood Bowl , you'll be pleasantly surprised how tight a band they were. Yes they complained they couldn't hear themselves properly above the screaming fans to the detriment of their playing but they were so good as a live band. As much as they decided to stop touring after Candelstick Park i bet they regretted this when they saw the saw the rise of the big outdoor festivals like Monterey and Woodstock and bands like The Who becoming global stars on the back of their live shows. I can't believe The Beatles looked on at these gatherings and thought, we could do better , we should be up there. I've been re-reading my History of Rock issues of 1967 and 68 , in the 68 issue Macca is suggesting he thinks they may play live again, i think he was the one most keen to get back on stage again. By the way these History of Rock magazines are for me the greatest magazines i've read showing actual interviews with the great and the good of the time gleaned from Melody Maker and The NME. You should all treat yourself by buying up the back issues. nme.backstreetmerch.com/en-gb/artist/uncut-history-of-rock/magazines/the-history-of-rock-1967I've just ordered the 1966 issue
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Post by henryj on Dec 1, 2017 12:25:51 GMT
I think the problem is that the PA systems were not keeping up with the guitar amps when the Beatles were playing live. Scroll down to Fiendish Thingy's thread about the Beatles Live or click on this link beatleforum.proboards.com/thread/8789/beatles-live-concertsto read my response. I did see the Beatles live in Memphis in 1966 and don't remember too much about the PA systems. The Beatles did have those big Vox Super Beatle amps that they carried around with them, but I don't know if they carried their own PA amp and speakers or if they used the house equipment. In other words, part of it was the girls screaming, and part of it was the fact that the instruments drowned out the voices (drums are just loud by nature). But it was probably more the screaming. Mick Jagger once said that the screaming was so loud at one of the Rolling Stones' concerts, Brian Jones just stood there and played "Mary Had a Little Lamb" while the rest of the Stones were actually playing their song. That and the fact that there were no in-ear monitors in those days. Or even monitor speakers on the floor in front of them. It's very hard to perform music, vocally or instrumentally, if you can not hear the other musicians.
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Post by henryj on Dec 1, 2017 12:33:09 GMT
Oh,and another thing that stopped the Beatles from touring was the incident in the Philippines in 1966. The Beatles did not get the word from Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos that the Marcoses wanted the Beatles to play for them privately. Marcos was the dictator of the Philippines, and when they Beatles did not play for them it created a big stink. This is according the The Love You Make, by Peter Brown. The Beatles were separated from their luggage, which contained substances illegal in the Philippines and elsewhere.
It was said that if the Beatles had been caught with such substances, they could have had their hands cut off.
That may have been what scared them from subsequent touring.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Dec 1, 2017 13:12:38 GMT
Oh,and another thing that stopped the Beatles from touring was the incident in the Philippines in 1966. The Beatles did not get the word from Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos that the Marcoses wanted the Beatles to play for them privately. Marcos was the dictator of the Philippines, and when they Beatles did not play for them it created a big stink. This is according the The Love You Make, by Peter Brown. The Beatles were separated from their luggage, which contained substances illegal in the Philippines and elsewhere. It was said that if the Beatles had been caught with such substances, they could have had their hands cut off. That may have been what scared them from subsequent touring. yes and i think the fact that apart from the part of playing live to adoring crowds, touring , staying in Hotels was like being kept prisoners, very little if any time off had become a grind , being whisked out of candlestick park in a security van with i think no seats and no windows meant thy'd had enough , but within a very short time, the speakers and amps had improved and those outdoor concerts started appearing , i maintain they must have been tempted to go back on stage when other artists got the plaudits for their live appearances , but maybe all four could never agree at the same time. It didn't take long for the four individually to get back on stage after the break up.
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Post by ROCKY on Dec 1, 2017 19:13:55 GMT
I don't think it was the hearing of what they were playing as much as it was how they were treated after these performances that they were mainly upset about. The hearing just added to the mess. I also think George was the main cog in the wheel of them getting up on stage again. I think they even had to drag his ass up on the roof that day and you can see when he was up there he hardly ever smiled and he looked like he couldn't wait until the whole damn thing was over with. It took something like BenglaDesh for him to have a real reason to go out and play live again.
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Post by henryj on Dec 1, 2017 23:28:40 GMT
As far as the rooftop performance goes, I think George was not smiling because he was still stinging from Paul telling him how to play the guitar on "I've Got a Feeling." Right there where the cameras were rolling.
He had quit the Beatles and had recently returned to the band when the rooftop concert happened.
I have wondered if "Get Back" was Paul's plea to George to "Get Back" in the Beatles. Is "Jo-Jo" code for "George"? Did John work up the guitar solos in George's absence?
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