Glass Onion
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Post by Glass Onion on Feb 28, 2017 10:32:41 GMT
Tonight Tuesday 28th Feb at 9pm on BBC 4 is a program called 'The secret science of pop' and according to my tv guide says 'Professor Leroi gathers data on what makes a hit record, and scientifically examines Beatles songs'. If you miss it you might catch it on the iplayer.
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Post by brewmaster on Feb 28, 2017 11:56:47 GMT
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Feb 28, 2017 14:46:23 GMT
I love Paul Gambaccini he really knows his music and is always interesting. Will either record, watch live or Iplayer it. On Sunday on BBC4 they repeated The Sound of Song which covered some great Beatles songs , A Day in the life, Tomorrow Never Knows(amazing) and another of my all time favourites, Lovely Rita, at 52.06 another wonderful presenter, Neil Brand explains George Martins piano solo in Lovely Rita. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04z23vl/sound-of-song-2-reeling-and-rocking
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Post by brewmaster on Feb 28, 2017 16:47:55 GMT
I doubt if I will watch the Prof's nonsense tonight, but I will check out "The Sound of Song" which sounds great; on the I-player. Thanks for the heads-up Rita.
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Post by pothos on Feb 28, 2017 22:53:00 GMT
First of all Neil Brand is brilliant at explaining the mechanics of music. He has done shows on musicals and screen orchestrations. Great at deconstructing what makes things work. I did not watch The Secret Science of Pop; glad I did not. Great music and bands know the structure then bend the formant out of shape. Did you ever see Rick Wakeman explaining why Life on Mars by Bowie is such a masterpiece. It is down to Bowie shocking you the listener by jumping to the wrong chord rather than the correct one. Formula pop is why the industry is so utterly sterile.
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Post by pothos on Feb 28, 2017 23:03:06 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 1, 2017 0:04:53 GMT
Totally agree. I found the program fascinating.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Mar 2, 2017 13:17:24 GMT
First of all Neil Brand is brilliant at explaining the mechanics of music. He has done shows on musicals and screen orchestrations. Great at deconstructing what makes things work. I did not watch The Secret Science of Pop; glad I did not. Great music and bands know the structure then bend the formant out of shape. Did you ever see Rick Wakeman explaining why Life on Mars by Bowie is such a masterpiece. It is down to Bowie shocking you the listener by jumping to the wrong chord rather than the correct one. Formula pop is why the industry is so utterly sterile. Yes Neil Brand is a wonderful presenter, although classical music is difficult for me i watched his BBC4 programme on "perfect pianists at the BBC " , it's great when you here experts that are passionate about all music , Howard Goodall is another one.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Mar 2, 2017 17:02:06 GMT
I doubt if I will watch the Prof's nonsense tonight, but I will check out "The Sound of Song" which sounds great; on the I-player. Thanks for the heads-up Rita. Yes "Sound of Song is excellent, you'll find it on the iplayer. I've just finished this Science of Pop programme, he's a cheeky professor who i'f i understood his programme was that with technology you could possibly design a hit, it's not as simple as that . He made some slightly disparaging mischievous remarks about the Beatles and of course we should burn him as a heretic ha ha . He showed some diagrams that pointed to graphs on eras when music was going through a revolution, 60's 70s(questionable) 80s things slowed down ( i have to agree , those that know me from The Kate Bush forum will know i'm allergic to the 1980s, the most shockingly dull decade ever) then the 90s when technology took over, i agree The 90s were amazing especially if like me you were a raver, for me the early nineties was the 60s reborn. In all it was just a so so programme , much prefer Howard Goodall, Neil Brand , Paul Gambaccini and for some controversially I Like Danny Baker too when discussing music.
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 2, 2017 17:29:34 GMT
I have a great regard for science, real science. However, science has limits. There are areas in which the variables are so incalculable, and do not permit scientific conclusions. As an example, it is possible to, in theory, work out how far a dog would travel if you kicked it. By knowing the weight, air resistance, force applied etc, a scientist could predict where the dog would land. In reality, the dog could simly bite the kicker! An area in which science fails is human interaction. You can't use a formula to construct great tunes, anymore than you can "prove" that bananas taste better than peaches. I think that Prof just wanted to stir up controversy, and make a name for himself.
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Post by pothos on Mar 2, 2017 22:53:31 GMT
Great artists break rules and push musical boundaries further. They develop lyrically, musically, and develop their own voice.
I think the music industry is in crisis. It think financial spread sheets and tv ratings amount to a successful act. How many of the greats would pass the auditions of these so called talent shows now.
There is still some amazing music about by acts who hardly get any recognition in a world where music is now an app to sell for you I phone.
I love music always have done always will you cannot explain what makes a great artist scientifically.
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 3, 2017 10:22:16 GMT
Well said, Pothos. A couple of decent explorations of the Beatles' music....
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Post by pothos on Mar 3, 2017 11:50:02 GMT
Interesting piece from Howard Goodall.
Point 1 * The Beatles seems to have expanded through, experiencing and embracing all musical genres from all over the world. Point 2 * The Piano seems to have been the tool that changed their sound. Point 3 * Martin was just a radical a producer as they were musicians.
Listen to acts that followed like The Who and Zeppelin and you can hear great acts are fascinated by both technology and world rhythms. (Kashmir anyone)
I cannot imagine what it was like in the 1960 hearing these records for the first time. Reviewers must have been shocked let alone the public.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Mar 3, 2017 15:54:45 GMT
Interesting piece from Howard Goodall. Point 1 * The Beatles seems to have expanded through, experiencing and embracing all musical genres from all over the world. Point 2 * The Piano seems to have been the tool that changed their sound. Point 3 * Martin was just a radical a producer as they were musicians. Listen to acts that followed like The Who and Zeppelin and you can hear great acts are fascinated by both technology and world rhythms. (Kashmir anyone) I cannot imagine what it was like in the 1960 hearing these records for the first time. Reviewers must have been shocked let alone the public. he's so good Howard Goodall, i don't understand people who have no appreciation of the Beatles, you just can't take these people seriously, they should see an ear Doctor. I wholeheartedly agree with your last point, i was only young during the sixties so it wasn't really until the seventies in my mid teens that i could suddenly comprehend their more complex songs, when i did, i realised this was music from another planet , a higher level than all their contemporaries .To have heard this music when it came out as a sixteen or 17 year old must have been mind blowing. I went to the V&A exhibition on the years 66 to 70 twice in a month it was so good, but especially for the ones who actually were teenagers during this period, their warm smiles were a picture. It was a great exhibition to for the young, here they could see that their parents and in some cases grandparents were also cool young people too, when you are young you just can't comprehend this.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Mar 3, 2017 16:07:12 GMT
Well said, Pothos. A couple of decent explorations of the Beatles' music.... just posted this Howard Goodall programme on my facebook page. I watched it when it was first aired.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Mar 4, 2017 16:07:38 GMT
Well said, Pothos. A couple of decent explorations of the Beatles' music.... just posted this Howard Goodall programme on my facebook page. I watched it when it was first aired. just watched the 2nd programme with some great talking heads. Nile Rogers was very good and funny, would have like to have heard more from Neil Innes.
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 4, 2017 17:14:56 GMT
This is a good documentary from the BBC, recreating the making of the iconic album. A great group of Merseybeat musicians are included for the track "Boys"
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Mar 6, 2017 13:20:26 GMT
So impressed at watching again Sound of Song's 3rd episode repeated on Saturday hosted by Neil Brand i've just sent him a Friend request on Facebook and wrote him a congratulatory message on how his enthusiasm for all music is infectious. Last night part of the programme discussed Public Enemy , not my normal type of music but again his enthusiasm was there for all too see and made me see and hear this band in a different light. The documentary ended with him at a silent disco with a huge smile on his face. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050rbz8/sound-of-song-3-mix-it-up-and-start-again
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Post by pothos on Mar 6, 2017 16:57:14 GMT
Didn't Neil Brand also give live performances playing the piano to silent movies at film festivals.
Hi knowledge on music is so widespread. Hip Hop to Old Man River he can explain why it works and the context it was formed in.
I cannot praise him and Goodall enough.
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Post by brewmaster on Mar 7, 2017 19:17:28 GMT
I enjoyed watching this...
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