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Post by davidbigcheeseplant on Aug 21, 2016 9:52:58 GMT
Can we create a list of recorded songs where at least one Beatle is not included, I think there must be quite a few, these spring to mind, add others if you can, and which Beatle is missing and why. Love me do (Ringo) Yesterday (Paul Only) Within without you (George Only) Sexy Sadie (Ringo missing) Here comes the sun (John missing) Ballard of John & Yoko (John & Paul only)
David
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Post by Mr Kite on Aug 21, 2016 11:36:25 GMT
Hello and welcome to the Forum David ! I guess most of the White Album has a Beatle missing . Not a happy time in the Beatle camp
Why Don`t We Do it In The Road ( Paul & Ringo ) John & George doing there own songs
Long Long Long ( George , Paul & Ringo )
Wild Honey Pie ( Paul )
Martha My Dear ( Paul & George ) Not really a song that needed drums ?
Don`t Pass Me By ( Ringo & Paul )
Savoy Truffle ( George Paul & Ringo )
Good Night ( Ringo )
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Post by davidbigcheeseplant on Aug 21, 2016 12:10:35 GMT
I have been around a while but forgot my original log in!
There must be many more too, can we create a definite list?
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Post by Mr Kite on Aug 21, 2016 19:20:09 GMT
I have been around a while but forgot my original log in! There must be many more too, can we create a definite list? Well don`t go missing again ! I`m sure there will be a few more folks joining soon ....If not I shall be back with a few more
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Post by henryj on Aug 21, 2016 23:45:33 GMT
My understanding is that Ringo is on both versions of "Love Me Do." He plays tambourine in the single record version while Andy White plays the drums.
Just to be picky. But all four Beatles are on the single record version.
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Post by mrmustard on Aug 21, 2016 23:53:17 GMT
Welcome back David!
Sexy Sadie? Really?
I Me Mine (John not bothering with a George song again - would rather waltz with Yoko) The Inner Light (No requirement for Ringo - minimal backing vocals by John and Paul) For No One - Paul and Ringo only Eleanor Rigby - Paul with backing vocals from John and George. No Ringo. Her Majesty - Paul solo Julia - John solo
I will think of some more. I'm So Tired now!
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Post by henryj on Aug 22, 2016 0:14:18 GMT
"I Me Mine" could very well have been a protest song against John Lennon. ;^)
Listen to some of the lyrics from songs on the Plastic Ono Band album, such as "God." George's song is railing against such self-centeredness.
Just my observation.
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Post by davidbigcheeseplant on Aug 23, 2016 6:48:17 GMT
Any more suggestions
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Post by mrmustard on Aug 23, 2016 8:17:41 GMT
Back In The USSR - Ringo quit Dear Prudence - Ringo quit
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Post by davidbigcheeseplant on Aug 23, 2016 19:52:21 GMT
She's leaving home (both George & Ringo absent)
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Post by Mr Kite on Aug 23, 2016 19:58:10 GMT
I`ve got one ! Because ( No Ringo )
And an obvious one
Her Majesty . ( No George , John or Ringo )
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Post by mrmustard on Aug 23, 2016 23:20:50 GMT
Love You To - no John. Ringo plays tambourine and Paul sings harmony. Mother Natures Son - Paul solo Blackbird - Paul solo
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Post by cj on Sept 6, 2016 16:54:26 GMT
Paul doesn't appear on She Said She Said.
That's rumored to be George on bass. If you listen it doesnt match Paul's highly melodic style of that period at all. The bass in that song is very rudimentary.
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 6, 2016 17:11:39 GMT
Paul doesn't appear on She Said She Said. That's rumored to be George on bass. If you listen it doesnt match Paul's highly melodic style of that period at all. The bass in that song is very rudimentary. Hi CJ and welcome to the forum. I believe it's Paul on bass. An argument then ensued following the recording of the basic track and Paul stormed out of the studio leaving John and George to overdub vocals. The bass line sounds typical of McCartney to me.
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Post by cj on Sept 6, 2016 17:52:33 GMT
Thanks Mr. Mustard.
You may be right. However the current issue of Rolling Stone reports otherwise. They could be wrong of course, but after reading that article, to my ears it doesn't sound like a '66 McCartney baseline, and I believe they might be right.
Only Paul could tell at this point! Cheers!
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 6, 2016 17:57:08 GMT
Have you read Mark Lewisohns Recording Sesssions? This states the basic track was cut and then Paul stormed out. I would trust Lewisohn more that Rolling Stone.
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Post by cj on Sept 7, 2016 16:07:58 GMT
Oh absolutely. Recording Sessions is a fantastic book. I have a copy in my music room and refer to it often.
Still, after I read that article in RS I went and listened to the track and was struck by the overly simple bass in that song. I mean this is McCartney coming off of Paperback Writer and Rain, and several other standout Revolver tracks. At that point you would think that he would have sunk his teeth into that bass part, not played the bare minimum.
Also, I've been listening to a great podcast recently called Something About The Beatles, which I highly recommend. Not long after I read the RS article there was an episode where they corroborated the account that McCartney didn't participate, and stated it as if it was common knowledge. It was either their Revolver at 50 episode or their Pepper Vs. Revolver episode I think.
Also, although Lewishon is obviously highly respected there have been several inaccuracies in his accounts over the years. I'm sorry I can't remember specific examples at the moment. You can either believe me on that or not.
And, ultimately, my ears are just telling me it's true. It's not something I had ever heard before just recently, but after two separate, isolated mentions of this new (disputed) fact, and after listening with critical ears, I really do believe it to be true.
I have a feeling I won't convince you, but I feel quite convinced. Have a good day!
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Post by cj on Sept 7, 2016 16:19:32 GMT
I've never heard that Ringo didn't play on Sexy Sade. Is that well-known?
By the way, Googling the subject of the bass on She Said She Said does find a lot of people saying that Paul isn't playing it.
I just found a quote purportedly from Paul himself on the matter:
"John brought it in pretty much finished, I think. I'm not sure but I think it was one of the only Beatle records I never played on. I think we'd had a barney or something and I said, 'Oh, f*** you!' and they said, 'Well, we'll do it.' I think George played bass."
-Paul McCartney Many Years From Now, Barry Miles
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 7, 2016 19:57:32 GMT
Well, this is an interesting discussion!
Lewisohn may well have stated the odd inaccuracy in his time however he was given unique access to the mastertapes at Abbey Road to pour over. He states in Recording Sessions that the basic rhythm track was recorded three times and the third take was used for overdubs. The basic rhythm track comprised of drums, bass and two guitars meaning four people played. This information would have been written on the tape boxes which he had access to.
Lewisohn aside, the bass line isn't that basic at all. The song is fairly complex with various changes in time signature throughout. Plus there is some of Ringo's most complex drumming on record here. Ringo cites it as one of his best performances as do many critics. To put an overly complex bass onto this drumming would have been a mistake. It's more the work of a seasoned bass player rather than a guitarist filling in on bass.
We have discussed many times on this forum that The Beatles are the worst historians of their own history. You really can't rely on uncoroborated 'facts' from them. Anyway I'm sticking with Paul on bass......but more than happy to continue the debate!
To illustrate my point, check out this YouTube video of a guy playing the bass line over the original song. Ok, so he's hardly the best bass player in the world and he has a terrible sound but it demonstrates that it's far from a simple bass line.
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Post by cj on Sept 8, 2016 0:30:07 GMT
I'm well aware of the complexity of the song form as I regularly perform it in one of my bands.
I'm sorry, but based on all the available info, the official recording being most of all, I just don't think that's Paul.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. No hard feelings my friend. It sounds like you and I share a passion and intense fascination for this band's music.
It would be interesting to hear other forum member's take on this debate.
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