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Post by pothos on Apr 23, 2016 16:54:59 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Apr 24, 2016 20:03:37 GMT
I watched it Pothos; very good documentary. [Billi Fury statue in Liverpool]
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Post by brewmaster on Apr 25, 2016 21:06:17 GMT
That documentary really showed just how bad the early managers were. Larry Parnes was a typical example, keeping a stable of stars on a miserly weekly salary. I was astonished to hear Joe Brown discuss receiving no royalties for his number one hit "Picture of You", and in fact he even had to buy his own copy! The Beatles were very lucky to have Brian Epstein.
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Post by pothos on Apr 25, 2016 21:45:56 GMT
I genuinely wonder if the lack of management actually held back the UK music scene. Epstein and Grant seemed to really revolutionised the way business was conducted. It was astonishing to hear how little the acts earned in the early days. Even Cliff seemed to get sick of the situation. Yes Epstein did make mistakes but he seems to have The Beatles interest at heart. I still cannot fathom how managers had publishing and legal rights over acts (notice how The Everley's were tied to their agreements as well)
Shocking so many acts were always on a weekly wage and Fury was also a songwriter. Its staggering how many quality acts were held back.
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Post by ROCKY on Apr 26, 2016 3:43:05 GMT
They were just slabs of bacon to some managers. Even the famous Colonel, if you look at Elvis' last year. He knew Elvis was sick and blotted with drugs and didn't lift a finger to stop it.
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Post by pothos on Apr 26, 2016 10:33:32 GMT
That should never have happened with Elvis.
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Post by brewmaster on Apr 26, 2016 11:00:15 GMT
It wasn't just back then that groups were ripped off. Blondie suffered from disappearing royalties, and, despite having three successive number one hits, Frankie Goes to Hollywood gained very little [Brian Nash ended up back working as an electrician for the council].
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Post by pothos on Apr 26, 2016 16:28:07 GMT
I never knew that about Brian. I knew that Blondie had serious issues.
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Post by pothos on Apr 30, 2016 10:53:51 GMT
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Post by Mr Kite on May 6, 2016 19:50:15 GMT
I finally got chance to watch the program .
As I`ve never listened to Fury and obviously never been a fan or had any interest in him and only know the name when he`s brought up in Beatle history . I could`nt even name one of his many songs , which shocks me he had more the the Fabs ! ( how did that happen ?) After getting through the first half hour of not much of Fury music or in fact anything about him we finally got to hear about him and his music. I can know see why I never got to hear his Music as to me it seemed ... "For that time music" and had the same effect as when I hear Elvis . Not a fan of him either . Was he a British Elvis ? I can see (just about ) how he paved the way for The Beatles The only thumbs up for me was he was a Bird lover I guess I was born 10 years to late for Billy ( which seems funny as I was still a Beatle fan ? ) Good to see Jimmy Page on there though ! I know it sounds crass but thank God for The Beatles Sorry .
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Post by pothos on May 9, 2016 9:56:47 GMT
|Mr Kite. Just caught up with your post so sorry for that. I think Fury fell into that sort of rather polite stable of very young lads that dreamt of being R&R stars and those generation of singers were the foundation of our music. It is only when you look at them do you realise how far behind we were and how much was actually going on underground away from TV light entertainment and polite circles. The Sound Of Fury is acknowledged as possibly the first self peened UK R&R LP. Others wrote but never made any money and interesting that Lennon told Larry Parnes where to go and then changed everything about music.
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Post by Mr Kite on May 9, 2016 19:23:23 GMT
I know I`m biased but once they got into their stride The Beatles seemed to blow away anything around that time . If I had`nt got into them I would`nt even been interested in the Music of the early 60`s I know I`m saying this in hindsight . There is`nt much I listen to previous Sgt. Pepper , maybe The Kinks and The Who but nothing rocks my boat . Maybe If I`d been born ten years earlier I may have had a different view I was weened on Tamla Motown and my brothers record collection at an early age, Simon & Garfunkel`s Bridge Over Trouble and then I heard T.Rex So I was never going to hear Billy Fury and those early groups of the 60`s as they were from another time . But as for The Beatles ... They are timeless .
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Post by pothos on May 9, 2016 21:48:23 GMT
Mr Kite. I used to feel the same but everything from Fury to Sister Rosetta Tharp, Gene Vincent, The Shangra La's. So many built a foundation that others would build mountains on.
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Post by brewmaster on May 10, 2016 9:33:03 GMT
Pre fab four there was a lot of dross, churned out by the existing pop music industry. However, there was some gold too. Lots of the American Rock 'n Roll stuff was great, and still stands the test of time. From the British side tracks like Cliff's "Move It" and Johnny Kidd's "Shakin' All over" are rightly considered classics.
Although I was never a fan of Billy Fury, he was, without doubt, a talented performer and songwriter. As teenagers we enjoyed dancing to what was played in the clubs and on the radio back then. However, when the Beatles broke through it became a totally different scene. Things changed, for the better, for ever.
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