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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 15:56:31 GMT
Sadly, Andy White died on Monday, 9th November.
Born 27th July 1930 - Died 9th November 2015
R.I.P. Andy
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Post by Bobber on Nov 11, 2015 16:10:16 GMT
Andy White 1930-2015 Signed promo photo.Andy White — who played drums for The Beatles on a version of "Love Me Do," in 1962 — died on Monday, at the age of 85. A native of Glasgow, White had lived for many years in Caldwell, New Jersey. White also played on the Tom Jones hit "It’s Not Unusual," and worked with a broad range of other artists, including Chuck Berry, Rod Stewart, Herman’s Hermits, Marlene Dietrich, Burt Bacharach and the BBC Scottish Radio Orchestra. In 2008, he made a guest appearance on the Smithereens album, B-Sides the Beatles, and he worked as a consultant on the 2012 movie "Not Fade Away," which is about a fictional ’60s rock band. Andy White was a well established studio drummer in 1962, and he was called in for the second "Love Me Do" session with Ringo Starr. George Martin was concerned with the quality of Ringo Starr's drumming on the original "Love Me Do" on September 4, and so arranged for an experienced session drummer, Andy White, to play on the September 11 session. White was paid a standard fee of £5 15s (£5.75). While White drummed, Ringo played tambourine, effectively making White one of the candidates to the "fifth Beatle" title. "It was a really enjoyable experience," White told the British newspaper The Daily Record in 2012, "and what impressed me was they were doing some really good stuff, but it was all their own stuff and was really new". "Everything else at the time was a copy of music from the States, which was very successful, but they were doing something new and you could tell it was something different and very special. But I didn’t know just how special it would become." Starr summed up the episode this way in the 2000 book, "The Beatles Anthology": "George didn’t want to take any more chances and I was caught in the middle. I was devastated that George Martin had his doubts about me. I came down ready to roll and heard, ‘We’ve got a professional drummer.’ He has apologised several times since, has old George, but it was devastating — I hated the bugger for years; I still don’t let him off the hook!" A version with Starr on drums did come out as a single in the U.K., but the White version was used on the Beatles U.K. debut album, "Please Please Me", and as the U.S. single. Andy White moved to Caldwell after meeting his wife Thea, who was a New Jersey resident, in 1983. He played in Scottish pipes and drums bands and also worked as a drumming instructor. Andy White with the 12" single from 1982 with both his and the Ringo version of "Love Me Do".When the "Love Me Do" single was rereleased for its 50th anniversary in 2012, EMI made the mistake of producing the single with White's version of the song, and there was also a printing error on the B-side, as they had used the wrong R-series catalogue number. After complaints by the fans, EMI corrected the first mistake on a second pressing, but the catalogue number was never corrected. The correct catalogue number is R4949.As reported on Wogblog
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Post by henryj on Nov 11, 2015 16:20:58 GMT
Sorry to hear of his loss. I didn't know he was that old.
Which version of "Love Me Do" has Andy White on it? One of them has spit-gurgle in the harmonica, and Paul's voice smears down the word "do" after the harmonica solo. The other one is pretty straight.
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Post by Bobber on Nov 11, 2015 16:42:50 GMT
It's the version on which you can hear Ringo play the tambourine.
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Post by henryj on Nov 11, 2015 18:06:03 GMT
Well, Bobber is not a smart-donkey after all. According the documentation of what I have, the one with the tambourine on it was the Please Please Me version and the one marked Original single had no tambourine. The single sounds a bit more refined to me, and it has Ringo on drums, although the recorded clarity is better on the PPM version. At least on my copies.
Both had spit-flutter in the harmonica, but the vocals were more precise on the single version. No falling down from the word "Do" by Paul on the single.
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Post by Amadeus on Nov 11, 2015 19:38:53 GMT
The original UK single was the Ringo version. In '63 the Andy White version was put on the LP and the EP 'Beatles Hits' and it was decided that all further single pressings would be that version. So the Ringo single master was erased and the version we have now (and was on US Rairities) was recorded off an actual early single because the tape no longer exists.
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Post by henryj on Nov 11, 2015 20:07:24 GMT
Certainly explains the lower fidelity of the single version.
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Post by pothos on Nov 11, 2015 23:28:12 GMT
Very sad news.
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Post by ROCKY on Nov 12, 2015 0:49:00 GMT
R I P Andy.
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Post by The End on Nov 12, 2015 1:56:31 GMT
Well, Bobber is not a smart-donkey after all. According the documentation of what I have, the one with the tambourine on it was the Please Please Me version and the one marked Original single had no tambourine. The single sounds a bit more refined to me, and it has Ringo on drums, although the recorded clarity is better on the PPM version. At least on my copies. Both had spit-flutter in the harmonica, but the vocals were more precise on the single version. No falling down from the word "Do" by Paul on the single. What did Bobber get wrong?
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Post by The End on Nov 12, 2015 1:57:55 GMT
Sadly, Andy White died on Monday, 9th November.
Born 27th July 1930 - Died 9th November 2015
R.I.P. Andy Sad news indeed - was hoping something might have been said on ITV's Nation's Favourite Beatles Songs tonight.
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Post by Bobber on Nov 12, 2015 7:54:00 GMT
Well, Bobber is not a smart-donkey after all. According the documentation of what I have, the one with the tambourine on it was the Please Please Me version and the one marked Original single had no tambourine. The single sounds a bit more refined to me, and it has Ringo on drums, although the recorded clarity is better on the PPM version. At least on my copies. Both had spit-flutter in the harmonica, but the vocals were more precise on the single version. No falling down from the word "Do" by Paul on the single. What did Bobber get wrong? I don't know. I was just trying to be helpful. Obviously henryj is regarding me as being stupid.
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Post by henryj on Nov 12, 2015 11:36:39 GMT
No no no no no. Just the opposite, Bobber. I thought you were flaming me when you said the Andy White one was the one with the tambourine on it. I had mistakenly thought you were a smarta--. But you were correct. And very helpful.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Post by The End on Nov 12, 2015 13:52:49 GMT
Glad that's all sorted out then?
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Post by Bongo on Nov 14, 2015 3:35:33 GMT
He was one of the 5th Beatles...
RIP.
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Post by mrmustard on Nov 16, 2015 22:36:23 GMT
This was sad news indeed. A real character.
However I just don't get the '5th Beatle' tag. I don't mean this disrespectfully but he was a session musician, a session musician with a good reputation. He came in and did exactly what was asked of him. No better than Ringo's drumming (certainly better than Pete Best's). If we are putting Andy White in the frame for '5th Beatle' then Alan Civil should be in the frame too. His two contributions to The Beatles recordings where considerably more significant than Andy White's. And there is Johnny Scott and what he played on You've Got To Hide Your Love Away.
I just find it odd that Andy White is held in such high regard when other musical contributions have been far more significant in terms of musical importance to a song. Or am I missing the point?
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Post by ROCKY on Nov 16, 2015 23:48:55 GMT
I just find it odd that Andy White is held in such high regard when other musical contributions have been far more significant in terms of musical importance to a song. Or am I missing the point? I think it's only because he was used on the FIRST true Beatle recording. If he would have been used later on, like those others you mentioned, he probably would have only been known as much as they are I reckon.
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Post by mrmustard on Nov 17, 2015 0:07:38 GMT
Yeah, I guess you're right but in terms of what he played it's no great shakes and any session drummer could have played what he did. Whereas Alan Civil's French Horn solo in For No One was exquisite and a feature of the song.
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Post by Amadeus on Nov 17, 2015 2:02:32 GMT
I just find it odd that Andy White is held in such high regard when other musical contributions have been far more significant in terms of musical importance to a song. Or am I missing the point? The point is he's dead. Now he's larger than life as one becomes when they die. That's why so many believe that Lennon's solo career was much better than McCartney's. As far as the fifth Beatle tag; there's no such thing. There's four, then the odd person who came in to play on an existing piece. 'Fifth' Beatle implies someone who had creative input on a sort of important level on their musical progress. If there had to be a band picture with such a 'fifth' member, it would have to be George Martin. His fingerprint is on their albums far more than Andy White's/Alan Civil's/ and even Billy Preston's. Um, so my point is: smoking is cool and you know it.
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Post by ROCKY on Nov 17, 2015 13:39:07 GMT
Um, so my point is: smoking is cool and you know it. ....yeah especially when they dig that 6 foot hole in the back yard for you. lol
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