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Post by mrmustard on Oct 12, 2015 19:21:59 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Oct 12, 2015 21:20:35 GMT
Very interesting. I love those live recordings at the Star Club, as they are one of the few legacies of the Beatles at that time in their career.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 12, 2015 21:44:49 GMT
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 12, 2015 21:59:04 GMT
This is a link direct link to Kingsize Taylor's Facebook page. It seems as though Barber and Taylor recorded them together. This has got to be the most conclusive evidence so far. I'm not sure I would believe most things Allan Williams says!
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 12, 2015 22:02:02 GMT
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 12, 2015 22:03:41 GMT
This is a link direct link to Kingsize Taylor's Facebook page. It seems as though Barber and Taylor recorded them together. This has got to be the most conclusive evidence so far. I'm not sure I would believe most things Allan Williams says! Well it has been proven that Alan actually did find the tapes when Taylor and him were looking around the Star Club office in '72. lol I believe Kingsize did the actual taping after Barber set up the equipment and mics for recording. How Sam gets into the mix I didn't know until now.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 12, 2015 22:22:47 GMT
Reading Barbers statement he appears to be more involved than just setting up the equipment. He's discussing the recordings with John and Paul beforehand. Assuming he hasn't lied then Barber and Taylor are rightful owners off the tapes and deserved a share of £120,000,000 Taylor talks of in the comments.
Saying that The Beatles where under contract to Parlophone/EMI who amazingly never cottoned onto these recordings at the time being recorded December 1962.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 12, 2015 22:37:24 GMT
Well it has been proven that Alan actually did find the tapes when Taylor and him were looking around the Star Club office in '72. lol I believe Kingsize did the actual taping after Barber set up the equipment and mics for recording. How Sam gets into the mix I didn't know until now. I'm confused by something Rocky. If Williams tried to sell them to Epstein in the 60's, how did they end up back in the Star Club office in 1972?
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 13, 2015 14:27:56 GMT
Well it has been proven that Alan actually did find the tapes when Taylor and him were looking around the Star Club office in '72. lol I believe Kingsize did the actual taping after Barber set up the equipment and mics for recording. How Sam gets into the mix I didn't know until now. I'm confused by something Rocky. If Williams tried to sell them to Epstein in the 60's, how did they end up back in the Star Club office in 1972? Sorry mrm I had to refresh my memory on this. After Barber & Kingsize recorded the tapes('62) Kingsize took the tapes back to Liverpool to his mothers house('63). He bought another reel to reel tape recorder and made another tape with a few of the songs and he's the one that took that tape to Brian in 1965. Brian only offered him 20 pounds for it so Kingsize took that tape back home. Later Kingsize got in touch with a recording engineer to clean up the tapes and left them in that office with him. That's when Alan comes into the picture, Kingsize must have told Alan about them and Williams went back to that office with kingsize and Williams found the tapes in a pile of trash ('72) then they took the tapes to Paul Murphy who owned Buk records, remember him? one of the Hurricanes, to clean them up and they were going to press lps of them. The three formed Lingsong Records after Alan tried to sell the tapes to Ringo & George who refused. The tapes were released in '77 as a double album. The tapes came into the possession of Grossberg who was the engineer in the U.S. who cleaned the tapes up for them and who is selling the tapes now. So now I guess you have all these people claiming the tapes are theirs, Grossberg, Taylor, Barber, Williams, Murphy and now Hardie.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 13, 2015 17:07:19 GMT
Thanks Rocky, that's a great account. So who paid the 50k to get the tapes cleaned up? Williams claims it was him in the other article you put a link to.
Are you suggesting Barber has lied under oath??
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Post by Amadeus on Oct 13, 2015 17:54:58 GMT
Ummm,,,, who actually owns them now? I get the impression that Apple intend on burying them if they owned them??? Thoughts? They're a damn important historical artifact. With the hundreds and thousands of shows played between '60 and '62, it's amazing to me that NO other shows were ever recorded. Nothing at the Casbah? Nothing at the cavern? Or Top Ten club?? What were they like then? The Star Club tapes catch them at the transition between rock and roll stage stompers and safe juke box hits. I'd love to hear them from before Brian Epstein.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 13, 2015 18:29:20 GMT
Yeah, I don't get it. I think there's some really good performances on there. A real reflection of how they sounded back then. It's got some real importance.
Apple should be embracing these recordings and using the best technology available to restore them. Afterall, Lennon kept saying they where the best live band in Britain and there was no one to touch them. So it seems odd, for Lennon at least, that they have always wanted to bury the recordings.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 13, 2015 23:08:39 GMT
Say what you will about the tapes, bad or good, but just think if those three guys back in the mid-70's wouldn't have had the gumshun to release them on lps! We may never have known what they sounded like now with all these lawsuits going on.
Why EMI didn't offer to buy those tapes is probably one of the bigger bone-head decisions they ever made! They'd rather spend tons of money on Klaatu saying they sounded like the Beatles than buying an actual Beatle recording!
I've come to conclusion that record company executives are a bunch of a-holes who have no idea what music is about. Just look at how many of the Beatle outtakes & unreleased songs they had in their vaults and decided to sit on them and keep on releasing the same recordings over and over again. And CBS did the same with Bob Dylan. Now finally they wised up, but it maybe too late since most of the fans back then have either moved on or died.
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Post by brewmaster on Oct 14, 2015 9:21:27 GMT
The Star Club tapes are such an important bit of history. Sure, it would have been better to have had a quality recording made of their live act, at the Star Club, Cavern, or, other venue. We don't have that, so must be content with a poor quality recording of a great act. The tapes are important too, as they show the development of songs by the group. For example, "I saw her standing there" was slower than eventually recorded, while "Mr Moonlight" was faster.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 14, 2015 12:29:29 GMT
I am certain that Apple could significantly improve the master tapes if they so wished. I really don't get why they won't take them in-house. There's lesser quality material on the anthology's.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 14, 2015 13:55:35 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Oct 14, 2015 17:06:57 GMT
I'm puzzled as to why The Beatles didn't record themselves. They could easy afford a quality tape recorder, and they could have used the Cavern, during the afternoon. I know other groups, including those who never achieved any fame, recorded their own performances/rehearsals. I wonder why The Beatles never bothered?
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 14, 2015 19:09:17 GMT
Couldn't be bothered parting with the cash no doubt!
It may well have been the fact they had the Decca tapes that where professional recordings and they weren't going to get anything like that quality with a tape recorder. Probably a combination of both.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 14, 2015 19:16:27 GMT
Yeah, funny one this. The audio only version recorded sometime after the filming is significantly better. They could have just overdubbed this onto the film. No one would have noticed given how far the camera was from the stage!
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 14, 2015 21:07:09 GMT
The first article I posted says Gordon Butler went back the next day and recorded the Beatles for an hour at the Cavern. Where is this tape? A little more about the 'Some Other Guy' Tape: www.theliverpoolsaleroom.co.uk/news.php?id=162Also found different versions of the video for that song:
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