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Post by pothos on Jul 14, 2015 16:18:13 GMT
Did Jagger & Richards, Ray Davis, Pete Townsend or Page & Plant have to cope with anything close to that as I can imagine they noticed what happened.
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Post by Bongo on Jul 14, 2015 16:45:25 GMT
That's right, Capitol of Canada released a lot of stuff before America got on board and partly responsible for The Beatles eventual success in America. In fact, wasn't Love Me Do released there in early1963? Yep. Love Me Do - Feb '63. And here's a good one - My Bonnie - April '62 Again, who bought it and who was the target audience? Where was it advertised? Ya we were lucky we had Paul White from Capitol Records of Canada who originally came from Britain, so he got the ball rolling early in Canada. Unfortunately instead of importing the UK records, Canada still used their own record covers like US did. www.capitol6000.com for great info on Canadian Beatles stuff, and more.....
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 14, 2015 17:41:21 GMT
Did Jagger & Richards, Ray Davis, Pete Townsend or Page & Plant have to cope with anything close to that as I can imagine they noticed what happened. Led Zeppelin where signed to Atlantic under Ahmed Ertgun who loved them to bits and allowed them to do pretty much as they pleased. The a Kinks where actually banned in America between 1965 and 1966, something that Ray Davies is still incredibly bitter about. I don't know of the Who having any problems like that and, let's face it, anything was an improvement for the Stones as Andrew Loog Oldman didn't have a clue what he was doing on those early Stones albums. Frankly the production was a joke.
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Post by ROCKY on Jul 14, 2015 18:16:57 GMT
Don't want to hijack the thread, but the Kinks were my second favorite band and I totally forgot what the hell they were banned for so I had to look it up and then I remembered. lol What a joke! rulefortytwo.com/secret-rock-knowledge/chapter-8/kinks-ban/*Now back to your favorite scheduled thread.....
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 14, 2015 18:47:38 GMT
Don't want to hijack the thread, but the Kinks were my second favorite band and I totally forgot what the hell they were banned for so I had to look it up and then I remembered. lol What a joke! rulefortytwo.com/secret-rock-knowledge/chapter-8/kinks-ban/*Now back to your favorite scheduled thread..... Thanks for that article Rocky and hey, it's all relative so you aren't hijacking the thread at all.
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Post by pothos on Jul 14, 2015 21:55:58 GMT
Interesting to read the comparisons and it seems the moral of this story is to get as many in the record company to believe in you and let you develop. Strong management, a stable relationship between the band members and innate talent seems a must have.
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Post by mrmustard on Jul 14, 2015 22:08:34 GMT
Indeed Pothos. The Beatles had three people in the industry that totally believed in them and their talent, without whom they wouldn't have made it; Brian Epstein, George Martin (after Love Me Do) and Dick James, their publisher - although in the end that fell apart and he sold his share of Northern Songs.
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Post by pothos on Jul 14, 2015 22:49:40 GMT
How did the rest of Epstein acts fare in the US did they meet with the same issues.
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Post by ROCKY on Jul 15, 2015 1:09:54 GMT
Well they had hits, but only fared moderately. Gerry was on a funky little label Laurie, Billy J was on Liberty, which was a bigger label, but after two hits he died out, and Cilla Black, you had to hunt or special order her record if you wanted it. So they all really fizzled out fast. Then the psychedelic era killed all of Brian's acts except for the Beatles. Probably right about the time Brian died himself. He was booking Jimi in his Seville Row concerts at the time. It's rather amazing they both died of almost the same thing and situation.
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Post by pothos on Jul 15, 2015 9:47:38 GMT
Thank you for the information Rocky.
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Post by henryj on Jul 16, 2015 2:56:24 GMT
In those days… 1. Record companies were run by men who were too old to appreciate rock and roll. It wasn’t their music, and it wasn’t something they liked. Record company execs these days, I would suppose, are a little more tolerant of youth music than the execs of 50 years ago. 2. Before the Beatles came along, teenagers bought singles and adults bought LPs. Recording artists who had hit records usually had album cuts that were perceived by record company management to be a bit more “ sophisticated” than the singles. 3. In the American market, it was determined that the LPs would sell more copies if singles were included. Therefore, teens began to buy LPs more than they had previously. 4. Because the Beatles were prolific in their singles releases, and because American LPs had 12 or 11 cuts rather than 14, there were more albums released in American than the Beatles originally released in Britain. 5. I don’t know this for a fact, but I believe that LPs as a medium sold a whole lot more after the Beatles came along. I would imagine that the Beatles lifted the whole LP industry, not with their own sales, but raising interest in other artists’ LPs, not just their (other artists’) singles. 6. Playback equipment was, overall, not all that sophisticated. Most teens played their records, mostly singles, on little record players, probably the ones they had played their kiddy records on as grade schoolers. If they played the LPS in the living room, it was more than likely on a console stereo, which was more furniture than hi-fi. True hi-fi stereo receivers such as the Fisher, with turntables and speakers attached separately, were not often used to play Beatle records. Therefore, high fidelity was not important to the bigwigs at Capitol. That’s why the sound on the American Capitol records was rather poor. Plus, Americans like(d) REE-verb. 7. As I have stated before, it’s the Beatles. Other than messing with the fidelity, how bad can you mess it up?
I didn't mean to go so long or repetitive. What has to be emphasized is that marketing of the Beatles music was different than it would be today.
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Post by pothos on Jul 16, 2015 10:12:25 GMT
I think what puzzles me Henryj is that The Beatles had so little control over there work. I always thought of the band as being a team with Epstein, Martin and James. You do wonder if the execs thought it was a flash in the pan and had no concept of the cultural shift that was happening.
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Post by henryj on Jul 16, 2015 10:46:59 GMT
Pothos, if you read Geoff Emerick's book, you'll get the feeling the Beatles didn't have a lot of control until about the time Revolver came out. Maybe afterwards, when they began Sgt. Pepper, that they were able to use unlimited studio time. Before that, there were goofs in their recordings that they did not have the time to correct (e.g. one of then sings "make you mine" while the other harmonizes with "change your mind.")
My understanding is that the Rolling Stones' albums were released in the US in the same manner as the Beatles. The Stones had an American release called December's Children that had the same cover photo as a British album, but it turns out Children was like 2nd Album/VI/Yesterday and today.
The Beatles raised the bar with Rubber Soul. Before that, American LP releases were remembered by what hit singles they contained.
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Post by pothos on Jul 16, 2015 15:36:50 GMT
Thank you for the information.
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Post by henryj on Jul 18, 2015 19:02:00 GMT
Pothos, you were wanting to know of the other British acts had to put up with what the Beatles did regarding the release of their music in America. Generally, stuff released after 1967 would more likely be the same in the US as in the UK.
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Post by Amadeus on Jul 19, 2015 17:04:44 GMT
INCIDENTALLY: I believe that Capitol made their own masters for the BLUE and RED albums from the Dexter masters. 'I Feel Fine' is played in a cavern and 'Help!' has that 'james bond' intro at the beginning. Neat eh?
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Post by Bongo on Jul 21, 2015 1:02:31 GMT
INCIDENTALLY: I believe that Capitol made their own masters for the BLUE and RED albums from the Dexter masters. 'Help!' has that 'james bond' intro at the beginning. Neat eh? It is neat. The Red Album was probably my first Beatles record, so I assumed the James Bond intro was always part of the song! Little did I know back then that there was a U.K. Help! & a U.S. Help! Album.
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