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Post by The End on Feb 21, 2015 16:40:09 GMT
With the updated Volume 15, any idea what's happened to the opening track: "Let Me Take You Down"? Really grateful to the original poster but keeping up with all these updates is proving a task and a half! LOL!
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Post by Bobber on Feb 22, 2015 8:49:14 GMT
It's not a bad idea to wait till the end and check what you got. You don't miss anything if you delete the unupdated versions, some tracks are integrated in others.
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Post by Bobber on Feb 22, 2015 9:09:57 GMT
Erm, sorry Al. But there is an unheard version of Love Me Do (for 52 years!) included. Lol. Another updated volume - but one with a difference! In this case I have been able to acquire a near-complete tape of the Side By Side broadcast of 24th June 1963. Previously only four of the five Beatles songs have ever been available, plus the opening theme and one Karl Denver track. Now we have all the songs heard in this show. All that is missing is some of the announcer's introductions towards the end. These new tracks were not actually captured by a Beatles fan, but rather a Karl Denver fan who simply left the tape running. At the end of When Day Is Done he stopped recording The Beatles and just turned on the recorder for KD's songs. Luckily, among the Beatles tracks he recorded was Love Me Do, which has not been heard ever since. It's a great, funky version and is the only studio performance of this song to ever include a proper full ending. Previously the only other instance we had of the group playing the ending is during the live Easybeat in October 1963 (though recorded in a studio I don't consider it as a "studio recording" as such owing to the constant screams of the audience). Oddly enough it sounds for a moment as though the engineer is starting to fade out the track when The Beatles suddenly come to a halt. It could be the studio personel were expecting the track to fade out like on the record. Also of use on this new tape is the missing section of the opening theme. Previously there was an interruption just after John Dunn says "We're knee-deep in the four Beatles once again this afternoon". Now you can hear the complete introduction. Although the tape also includes alternate source for Too Much Monkey Business and Boys, there wasn't any improvement over the old source so I have not used those. All of the KDT songs however are from the new tape. The two final tracks, Wimoweh and Side by Side (closing theme) are not on the cd but have been included in an extra folder. If you want to listen on an Ipod or similar, just paste these two tracks into the main folder. Side By Side is identical to the opening theme without the addition of Ringo's drums and John, Paul and George's vocals. The format of this show was different to Pop Go The Beatles. In PGTB, The Beatles would play two numbers first, followed by two from the guest, two more from The Beatles, two from the guest, one from The Beatles, one from the guest and one final song from The Beatles (on occasions this varied slightly with The Beatles performing two songs at the end or in their second last spot). In SBS, the guest played the first song and then simply alternated one song at a time with The Karl Denver Trio. The choice of songs performed by The Karl Denver Trio is eclectic to say the least. Ja Der Willy sounds like a German beer drinking song, complete with yodelling and laughter. :beer: When Day Is Done and If I Had My Way are both old time standards, the former boasting some beautiful guitar work. Wimoweh is actually the traditional version of the chant which most people know as The Lion Sleeps Tonight, much later a big chart hit in the UK. By far the strangest track though is "Zub", in which the yodelling Scotsman and his chums manage to sound uncannily like Yoko Ono and The Plastic Ono Band some six years before their inception. :lol: Also new to this disc is a brief interview (thanks to the contributor!) where Paul talks about Pop Go The Beatles. It's always amazed me that, in all the interviews they did throughout the seven subsequent years, they never once to my knowledge ever mentioned that they'd had a national radio series. Perhaps, if Paul's comments are anything to go by, they were so embarassed by the title that they chose not to remember? Thanks again to the collector who made this update possible. A splendid chap I think. www.dereferer.org/?http%3A%2F%2Fwe%2Etl%2F3jcaJqAKMBTomorrow or possibly Monday will be the final volume 17 - including an endorsement from Paul McCartney himself. :wink: And here's the final part (8) of the dvd: www.dereferer.org/?http%3A%2F%2Fwe%2Etl%2FpPPXKDtSKUOnce you have all 8 zips, right click on V24 (DVD).zip.001 and choose "open with Winrar" or whatever archiver you use. Then just select where you want it to go and unzip and it will all unfold magically. For those who don't know what to do with a dvd folder, instructions are included. I hope you all enjoy the dvd. Not all of it is brilliant quality but there's a couple of nice things in there which should please even the most jaded collector. If you just want to watch the dvd on your computer, install VLC freeware (google it) and under the MEDIA tab click OPEN FOLDER then choose the VIDEO_TS folder. You should then see the dvd menu. VLC will not display the opening clip, but you can access it through the PLAYBACK > TITLE tabs.
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Post by Bobber on Feb 22, 2015 9:15:20 GMT
Somebody posted this. Maybe it's a help Getting a WEE bit weary here of hearing people's problems/issues with the Vol. 24 .zip files . . . so I made this easy . . . Here is a link to all of the Vol. 24 files, separated by show (as shown on the DVD cover Lord Reith provided) and converted to .mp4 format - if you download these, you can immediately open and view these in your iTunes folder, or on your Apple devices: drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzGnZCgB2bLiRVU3VGloZWZmSmc&usp=sharingThis (hopefully) will shut down the posts on that particular "I-can't-open-it" thread.
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Post by Bobber on Feb 22, 2015 10:54:44 GMT
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Post by The End on Feb 22, 2015 22:52:46 GMT
It's not a bad idea to wait till the end and check what you got. You don't miss anything if you delete the unupdated versions, some tracks are integrated in others. Yeah, not a bad idea actually
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Post by Bobber on Feb 23, 2015 8:55:55 GMT
This might be interesting as well. Following the complete BBC stuff for The Beatles, as provided by Lord Reith on the forum over at bootlegzone, he also provided this interesting thing. This is a compilation of rare BBC sessions by other artists that I've made: A World Of Our Own (The Seekers) Blues With A Feeling (Fleetwood Mac) Can I Get A Witness (Tom Jones) Delta Lady (Joe Cocker) Down the Road Apiece (The Rolling Stones) Fanny Mae (The Rollling Stones) Goin' Out Of My Head (Cilla Black) Goodbyeee (Peter Cook And Dudley Moore) I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself (Dusty Springfield) I Won't Be The Same Without Her (The Rockin' Berries) I'll Never Find Another You (The Seekers) Janine (David Bowie) Mother-In-Law (The Easybeats) Nitty Gritty (Manfred Mann) Sorry Suzanne (The Hollies) Stone Free (Jimi Hendrix Experience) There's A Kind Of Hush (Herman's Hermits) Watch Your Step (The Spencer Davis Group) We Gotta Get Out Of This Place (The Animals) You Shook Me (Led Zeppelin) You're No Good (The Swinging Blue Jeans) This baby runs the gamut of all styles imaginable! Some of my personal favourites are the two Seekers tracks, The Easybeats version of the 1961 classic Mother In Law (which should have been a Beatles number sung by George in the vein of Three Cool Cats and Youngblood!), Watch Your Step (where you can hear the origins of the I Feel Fine riff), a blistering Stone Free by Jimi Hendrix, a fantastic R&B take on Down The Road Apiece by the early Stones, and the hilarious Goodbyeee by Pete And Dud (which you can also find on the dvd). www.dereferer.org/?http%3A%2F%2Fwe%2Etl%2FjixDcslwzX
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Post by The End on Feb 23, 2015 14:06:34 GMT
I have some of the Stones BBC sessions, which I must say are of a far higher sound quality than the Beatles' recordings - some are even in stereo! So I'd be curious to why there is such a difference in quality as the recordings were made around the same time.
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Post by Bobber on Feb 23, 2015 19:23:45 GMT
I have some of the Stones BBC sessions, which I must say are of a far higher sound quality than the Beatles' recordings - some are even in stereo! So I'd be curious to why there is such a difference in quality as the recordings were made around the same time. Do you want me to post your question on the bootlegzone forum?
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Post by The End on Feb 24, 2015 1:56:12 GMT
Yeah - good idea - cheers :-) I'll "Drop" a few examples in the usual place
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Post by Bobber on Feb 24, 2015 7:48:26 GMT
An extra thing. Volume 17 and a MP4 (which is like the dvd, but with some extra things) will be coming shortly. I'm sure many of you remember this radio special from March 1982, which was the first time (certainly mine) we had ever even heard of this stuff. Even though many of the recordings have been superseded in the intervening years, this is still a fun listen and a trip down memory lane for many. Though you probably recorded it at home just like the original fans in the sixties, here it is in pristine quality, complete with a detailed history of the show and how it was put together. Assuming there's enough interest I can also upload the revised version from boxing day 1982. www.dereferer.org/?http%3A%2F%2Fwe%2Etl%2FJXUulKo0hFTomorrow: the final instalment of this saga in 24 parts, the elusive V17 along with the upgrade patch for the dvd and an mp4 version with three bonus videos including Follow The Beatles and The World Of John And Yoko. Also included with V17 is a package of extras including: A Taste Of Honey (People And Places 2nd Nov 1962) (audio) Abilene (Tony Rivers And The Castaways) Pop Go The Beatles 24th Sept 1963 Cilla - TV Show with Ringo 6th Feb 1968 (audio) Frankly Speaking Brian Epstein 23rd March 1964 How It Is - TV Show 17 July 68 (audio) Memphis, Tennesee (Splice Version PGTB 18th June 1963) Pops And Lenny feature Ringo on Juke Box Jury 1st Aug 1964 (audio) The Beatles 1964 Christmas Show Interview 1 The Beatles 1964 Christmas Show Interview 2 Tom Lodge Interview - Radio Caroline 25th March 1966 From Us To You - TS Version The Trad Lads (Here We Go) Kenny Everett 9th June '68 complete show
A Complete Catalogue Of The Beatles BBC Sessions Restoration comparison Notes from BZ Audio patches Front covers with corrections Checklist
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Post by Bobber on Feb 25, 2015 8:09:15 GMT
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Post by Bobber on Feb 25, 2015 8:09:50 GMT
This is an mp4 (h264) version of V24 The Beatles On Television. The files can be played on your computer, tablet or phone with Itunes or VLC Player. Alternatively, just put them on a usb stick and plug it into your tv, media player or bluray player. www.dereferer.org/?http%3A%2F%2Fwe%2Etl%2FgLfK6RDdRlThis includes three items not included on the dvd: the Follow The Beatles documentary from 1964 which goes behind the scenes of the first feature film; The World Of John And Yoko from 1969; and an alternate print of She Loves You from The Mersey Sound.
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Post by Bobber on Feb 25, 2015 8:10:42 GMT
Well, all good things come to an end... at least for now. So here are the last handfull of Beatles BBC interviews before the breakup. Scene And Heard continued to document the state of play until the very end, probing deeper than any Beatles interviews had ever done before. Conspicuous in his absence is Paul, who seems to have been growing ever more estranged from the public and the other three at this time. Not long after Ringo's Open House appearance, Paul would finally bring down the curtain on The Beatles for good. As usual these interviews have been reconstructed where possible using new improved sources. Before anyone asks, there was another BBC special in 1970 about Let It Be, but this merely repackaged Scene And Heard interviews along with music from the lp. Since it was broadcast after the breakup and includes nothing new, it falls outside the scope of this set. Also included with this volume are some extras: A Taste Of Honey (People And Places 2nd Nov 1962) (audio) Abilene (Tony Rivers And The Castaways) Pop Go The Beatles 24th Sept 1963 Cilla - TV Show with Ringo 6th Feb 1968 (audio) Frankly Speaking Brian Epstein 23rd March 1964 How It Is - TV Show 17 July 68 (audio) Memphis, Tennesee (Splice Version PGTB 18th June 1963) (thanks to Qwazi) Pops And Lenny feature Ringo on Juke Box Jury 1st Aug 1964 (audio) The Beatles 1964 Christmas Show Interview 1 The Beatles 1964 Christmas Show Interview 2 Tom Lodge Interview - Radio Caroline 25th March 1966 From Us To You - TS Version The Trad Lads (Here We Go) Kenny Everett 9th June '68 complete show (fix) A Complete Catalogue Of The Beatles BBC Sessions Restoration comparison Notes from BZ Audio patches Front covers with corrections Checklist The final track on V17 documents the occasion when Paul McCartney gave his blessing for this set. Though it has been over 40 years since that day, The Beatles BBC Archives is now proudly presented here as a historical and cultural artifact. Thank you Paul... and John, George and Ringo. www.dereferer.org/?http%3A%2F%2Fwe%2Etl%2FQBpJL527kXNOTE to uploaders: please keep the extras folders bundled with V17 or they will become lost over time, like happened with Purple Chick's set. _________________
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Post by Bobber on Feb 25, 2015 8:11:14 GMT
CHECKLIST
VOLUMES 1-17 including four updated volumes:
V2 (updated version has 52 tracks) V14 (updated version has 13 tracks) V15 (updated version track 1 is titled "I Know") V16 (updated version first interview is Scene & Heard 28th Sept 1969)
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SPECIAL EDITION: Saturday Club 5th Birthday 1 (V18) SPECIAL EDITION: Saturday Club 5th Birthday 2 (V19) SPECIAL EDITION: BBC Beatles Night (V20) SPECIAL EDITION: The Beatles Abroad (V21) SPECIAL EDITION: Top Of The Pops 1 (V22) SPECIAL EDITION: Top Of The Pops 2 (V23) SPECIAL EDITION: The Beatles On Television (DVD) (V24) SPECIAL EDITION: The Beatles On Television (MP4 includes bonus 60 min) Upgrade patch for DVD
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Patches Bonus Material Front covers including corrections Notes A Complete Catalogue Of The Beatles' BBC Radio Broadcasts Restoration examples (all included with V17)
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Post by The End on Feb 25, 2015 18:03:29 GMT
The best thing to come out of the murky bootleg world in years! Nice one.
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Post by Bobber on Feb 27, 2015 8:58:42 GMT
I got this reply to your question Al.
Bobber, as far as I know, there is exactly one Rolling Stones BBC session in stereo. And this was an experimental recording. Remember, at that time, the BBC audience was still primarily hearing their broadcasts on AM radio, and the FM broadcasting was in mono. So everything was recorded in mono. To put it in perspective, even EMI, one of the biggest music recording companies in the UK at the time, hadn't moved to four-track recordings until late 1963/early 1964.
The BBC's primary mission, on the other hand, wasn't to record music, so their equipment was that much more outdated than EMI's. Everything recorded by the Beatles at the BBC was recorded directly in mono format, or, at least, mixed down to mono immediately after recording, even up to the Beatles' final BBC session in 1965.
I don't know why the Stones were specifically chosen for that experimental stereo broadcast--I don't think there were many other broadcasts in stereo until the late 60s. I don't know of any stereo sessions by the Animals, the Kinks, the Dave Clark Five, or any other rock band recording for the BBC in those days, aside from that one particular broadcast. That it was the Stones that the BBC chose was just luck of the draw, I guess.
To that end, that stereo BBC session does survive in such pristine quality precisely because it was stereo, so the BBC thought it a good idea to preserve it, unlike much of the rest of the BBC's sessions at the time.
As for the rest of the sessions, it might be good to read up in Howlett's book and others. In the 1960s, the BBC was very haphazard on what recording sessions they would actually keep in their archive. For the most part, they kept very little. What does survive comes largely from other sources. Mainly, it comes from "transcription discs" that were distributed to overseas broadcasters in places like Australia and South Africa, or from discs that BBC producers took home and preserved for their own library (Bernie Andrews was a big source for many), or else it came from fans recording them off the air.
That last one proved to be huge. Go back some pages in this thread and Lord Reith detailed the primary source for each recording in the official "Live At The BBC" sets. You'll see that little comes from the BBC itself, and almost all of it comes from transcription discs, from the collection of Bernie Andrews, or from the recordings of fan Margaret Ashworth, who must have had some amazing recording equipment. Most fans with recording equipment turned out stuff like the quality of "Dream Baby" or worse, i.e., they had a crappy microphone they held up to the speaker on their radio and that was pretty much it. And that's the best preserved recording of the session.
So why are the Stones recordings so much better preserved? There's not really one answer to that. Like the Beatles, the Stones' sessions are preserved via transcription discs, via sessions preserved by producers such as Bernie Andrews, and by fans. Maybe the Stones were featured on more transcription discs? Maybe the Stones had a "Margaret Ashworth" of their own who had better equipment? Pick your reason. It's one of those. The Stones' and the Beatles' sessions were preserved in the same way. If one band's sessions were better preserved than the other's, it's mostly just by coincidence.
One other thing that should be mentioned is that all but one of the Beatles' music sessions for the BBC aired between 1962 and 1964, while all but one of the Stones' BBC sessions aired in 1964 or later. Year by year during that time, home recording techniques were improving. As a thought experiment, try this: pick a couple of random TV shows that aired in, say, 2009 and see how many episodes you can easily track down in full HD quality on the internet, and which ones you can only find in SD. And then do the same for 2010 and 2011 and 2012.
It'll probably be luck of the draw per show, but depending on the year, you'll see more and more primarily trading on the net in HD. That's the same kind of thing that happened with preserving BBC sessions in the 1960s.
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Post by The End on Feb 28, 2015 1:40:55 GMT
Thanks for that, Cor - very informative - cheers for posting. AL
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Post by Bongo on Feb 28, 2015 23:17:13 GMT
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Post by Bobber on Mar 1, 2015 19:45:00 GMT
This looks like a different set and it isn't free at all, like it is supposed to be.
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