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Post by pothos on Sept 14, 2014 18:02:03 GMT
This link is useful for site seeing Stormville and both Johnny home and the now build that is on the plot the Morgue was on.
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-48125342.html
If you click on the street view tab turn 180 degrees and face the right hand cream painted rendered semi detached house that is Stormville. Go left then right up Oakhill Park and you will find where The Morgue was and where Johnny Guitar lived.
Johnny old address was 37 Oakhill Park. I believe both were demolished.
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 14, 2014 19:28:13 GMT
Funnily enough, although I have seen Stormsville a thousand times I have never sought out the site of The Morgue. I will make it my mission in the next week and report back.
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Post by ROCKY on Sept 14, 2014 21:11:55 GMT
The above mention of the Morgue prompted me to think about how important the coffe bars were to the beat scene. There were quite a few that catered to what are now called teenagers, in contrast to the normal chains of coffee bars run by Empire Catering [Wimpy etc]. I distincltly remember the older lads talking about going into town and hanging around Streates, the Jac, and the KD. I never visited Streates, in Mount Pleasant, but did venture into the Jacaranda a couple of times. [Recent photo of The Jacaranda]
It was something of a hovel, and I'm sure that The Morgue in Broadgreen was just as bad, if not worse. Objectively, these venues were just places that served bad coffe, with poor lighting and decoration. But that was exactly what the kids wanted. We wanted a place to hang out together, chatting about music and chatting up the opposite sex. Later the Jacaranda became a night club called Maxi San Susi, and I went there many times. The KD was the Khardomah, a mainstream chain of cafes frequented by all age groups. However, the KD on the corner of Whitechapel and Stanley Street - next to Hessey's music shop, was the nearest place to the Cavern where you could get a coffee, so was popular with members of the groups and fans. Hey brewmaster if you click on pothos map and type in- 23 Slater St. Liverpool, the Jacaranda Club is gone! Also if you go on the Early Beatles board I have a few threads of the spots the Beatles played in Liverpool and the Jacaranda Club at the time was trying to get donations to stay open. I guess it failed. Scratch another place where the Beatles played off the list. It gets smaller every year. btw who the hell are the Sneaky Nixons? lol
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 14, 2014 21:19:12 GMT
That's sad Rocky.At least we still have photos of the Jac. I wonder if they will put up a plaque.
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Post by ROCKY on Sept 14, 2014 21:27:44 GMT
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 15, 2014 21:07:05 GMT
Just watched the first episode of Cilla on TV. First impressions, overall they got the feel right. The Cavern looked quite authentic. Groups portrayed include the Big Three, Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, Kingsize Taylor, and, of course, the Beatles. There were a couple of scenes in the El Kabala, which they got completely wrong. El Kabala was in the most classy street at the time, and was a very cosmopolitan coffee house. One or two actors struggled with the Liverpool accent. Apart from that, a good effort.
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 16, 2014 9:51:37 GMT
It looked like the Cracke. I agree that some of the actors were weak in their parts. Sheridan Smith was great in the lead role. Of course most of the guitars were wrong, especially in RSATH, but can we expect accuracy in TV entertainment?
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 16, 2014 14:47:11 GMT
I hadn't realised she was the singer; impressive. Some of the timeline was distorted too, such as the show opening in 1960 and The Big Three are on the Cavern. At this point they were still the four-piece "Cass and the Casonovas. It makes you wonder just how much you can rely on autobiography.
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Post by Amadeus on Sept 16, 2014 15:43:17 GMT
It makes you wonder just how much you can rely on autobiography. You can't for accuracy. You can rely on them to tell what it was like but as for details??? George Martin and Ringo STILL go on about the first session in Sept when Ringo first arrived and 'no one' had told Martin that he was coming and he had already hired a 'proper' drummer. When records show that Andy White WASN'T hired until after Ringo's first session.
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 17, 2014 9:49:37 GMT
Another detail I would dispute is that Cilla was being paid £1.50 for her short spots with the groups. At the time that would be more than each member got from the gig.
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 18, 2014 9:26:20 GMT
A group I liked a lot at the Cavern was the Mojos. Years later I got to know Lew Collins, when he was in "The Professionals" TV series. Sadly, he died last year.
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Post by pothos on Sept 18, 2014 16:12:13 GMT
The bands who surprise me by never really breaking through were RSATH The Big Three and The Mojo's. I was so shocked when Lewis Collins died.
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 18, 2014 17:26:17 GMT
I don't know that much about The Mojo's other than the Lewis Collins connection but it doesn't really surprise me that RSATH and The Big Three never broke through. The Big Three where a brilliant band, arguably the best in Liverpool instrumentally, but they wanted to continue with a hard R'n'B style and the record companies wouldn't let them. The pop world, or rather the record companies, weren't ready for that. Bands had to be 'acceptable'. Also, as with RSATH, they didn't write their own songs. As discussed before, Rory was reluctant to change the set and freshen it up. And (I know you won't like me for this Pothos!), although a great frontman, Rory wasn't exactly the best of singers as can be heard on I Can Tell. I'll get my tin hat!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 19:46:18 GMT
Aaahh - The Big Three. I have to admit that for a few months in 1963, I actually thought that 'By The Way' was written by Lennon & McCartney! Mind you, the clip below substantiates my misplaced thoughts. You can't blame me for that, can you?
Whilst I was at Beatleweek a few weeks ago, I was walking past 'The Liverpool' pub and a live band were playing so I ventured in and discovered that one of the band members was in the original Big Three. They were playing standard late fifties, early sixties blues and jazz songs. They were excellent though. On a sad note, I heard that another original member of The Big Three died earlier this week. I'm fascinated by the music scene in Liverpool during the early sixties, in particular how The Big Three were hybrids of other bands. You can read all about them HERE. It's a very interesting article.
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 18, 2014 20:15:30 GMT
Just heard that was Johnny Gus; one of the best bass players on the scene. A sad loss.
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Post by pothos on Sept 18, 2014 21:53:38 GMT
Very sad to hear about that.
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Post by Amadeus on Sept 20, 2014 18:24:11 GMT
Here's a question; After the hundreds of gigs played in Germany and the Cavern, wouldn't SOMEBODY recorded any of those shows? By The Star Club recordings, they already had a record out and fixed up. There seems to be absolutely NO record of their Mach Shau period. A glaring omission between those home recordings of 1960 and the Cavern film of Aug '62.
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 21, 2014 11:27:53 GMT
One answer would be that tapes were recorded over. I know of two early groups who taped their practice sessions, but then the tapes were just used to record Radio Luxemburg, or other stuff. It was usual to have only one reel of tape, which was used over and over. Also tapes broke. I'm sure some of the Hamburg shows were recorded, but, then just used to record the AFN radio or something.
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Post by brewmaster on Sept 24, 2014 16:48:18 GMT
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Post by mrmustard on Sept 24, 2014 16:56:33 GMT
That is good news. I've spent many a happy hour in there! Of course the article is factually inaccurate (as they usually are). They where never known as Long John and The Silver Beatles - Lennon even wrote a letter to NME journalists Roy Carr and Tony Tyler to refute the allegation. It's also doubtful it was the first place they played billed as The Beatles.
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