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Post by Mr Kite on Jun 1, 2017 6:34:37 GMT
LovelyRita1 And I bet Al Al certainly has although he hasn't listened to it yet as he's been on on his holidays and only just got back. So he's just got back off his holidays Bought the Deluxe and spending a week in Liverpool in August Drinking till his Liver waves a white flag I want a job like his
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Post by mrmustard on Jun 1, 2017 12:04:57 GMT
I'm confused! Why is today 'officially' 50 years of Sgt Pepper when it was originally released in the U.K. on 26th May and on the 2nd June in the U.S.?
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Post by brewmaster on Jun 1, 2017 16:03:56 GMT
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Post by Mr Kite on Jun 1, 2017 20:40:01 GMT
I'm confused! Why is today 'officially' 50 years of Sgt Pepper when it was originally released in the U.K. on 26th May and on the 2nd June in the U.S.? Apparently it was the 1st of June in the US last week ! Yep, it`s got me confused as well Today are local Radio played Getting Better and Lucy In The Sky and Day Tripper for good measure
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Post by pothos on Jun 1, 2017 21:47:51 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08s3f5x
A doc originally broadcast in 1987 when it was 20 years ago today.
John's comments on the title track and concept LP's and the George M's comments on drugs are interesting. The contempory reviews of the Lp are fascinating.
I actually think John is a fascinating listen in this doc; describing himself as a chameleon and his thoughts on Sgt Pepper and The White Album are intriguing in themselves.
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Post by tele1962 on Jun 3, 2017 8:36:45 GMT
Anyone bought the deluxe version yet? I have it, it is a thing of Beauty.
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Post by Fiendish Thingy on Jun 3, 2017 10:45:18 GMT
Anyone bought the deluxe version yet? I have it, it is a thing of Beauty. Hi tele1962 and welcome to the Forum. I'm sure it is a thing of Beauty but can you enlighten us about what it actually sounds like? Cheers.
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Post by tele1962 on Jun 3, 2017 10:52:40 GMT
I have it, it is a thing of Beauty. Hi tele1962 and welcome to the Forum. I'm sure it is a thing of Beauty but can you enlighten us about what it actually sounds like? Cheers. At this point in time i am afraid not, my new (used) HiFi system will not be with me until next week. I do know others that have it and are raving about the sound quality especially the new stereo mix.
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Post by Mr Kite on Jun 3, 2017 15:27:19 GMT
A man who did`nt like Pepper ?! ( The tit )
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Post by pothos on Jun 3, 2017 22:04:45 GMT
Watched the Howard Goodall doc and it was wonderful but left me with a few thoughts.
Strawberry Fields Forever, and Penny Lane recorded in the Sgt Pepper session; where in the running order would they have fitted in?. George's Harrisons track Within You Without You sounds like he was on a different path as early as 1967. His track somehow seems odd compared to the rest of the LP (although it is brilliant) Am I missing something there.
SPLHCB sounds ahead of the game even today. If you predate the music and world to 1917 (50 years earlier) you could argue that music has slowed down in its ability to revolutionise.
I cannot get my head around the fact that in 5 years they had made 8 studio Lp's and gone from Love Me do to Pepper. That is the equivalent in time frame since London hosted the Olympics.
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Post by henryj on Jun 4, 2017 12:11:42 GMT
Watched the Howard Goodall doc and it was wonderful but left me with a few thoughts. Strawberry Fields Forever, and Penny Lane recorded in the Sgt Pepper session; where in the running order would they have fitted in?. George's Harrisons track Within You Without You sounds like he was on a different path as early as 1967. His track somehow seems odd compared to the rest of the LP (although it is brilliant) Am I missing something there. SPLHCB sounds ahead of the game even today. If you predate the music and world to 1917 (50 years earlier) you could argue that music has slowed down in its ability to revolutionise. I cannot get my head around the fact that in 5 years they had made 8 studio Lp's and gone from Love Me do to Pepper. That is the equivalent in time frame since London hosted the Olympics. Good question about where Strawberry and Penny would have fit, but also, what two songs would they have replaced? And, as an American, I must ask, what FOUR songs would Dave Dexter have removed to include the single sides while getting down to 11 cuts?
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Post by Mr Kite on Jun 4, 2017 12:57:43 GMT
The Howard Goodall`s look at Sgt. Pepper was superb About time we had someone who knows the crack
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Post by mrmustard on Jun 4, 2017 20:45:15 GMT
The Howard Goodall`s look at Sgt. Pepper was superb About time we had someone who knows the crack Yes, I saw that too. Quite enjoyed it. However there is a much better one on Sky Arts called My Beatles Black Album. It's The Beatles album that never was. Solo songs from the 70/71. Really good.
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Post by Mr Kite on Jun 4, 2017 21:01:20 GMT
The Howard Goodall`s look at Sgt. Pepper was superb About time we had someone who knows the crack Yes, I saw that too. Quite enjoyed it. However there is a much better one on Sky Arts called My Beatles Black Album. It's The Beatles album that never was. Solo songs from the 70/71. Really good. I will check it out ! This has been on Youtube awhile
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Post by pothos on Jun 4, 2017 22:10:27 GMT
I think I would add Penny Lane between With a Little Help From My Friends and Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
Strawberry Fields Forever I would have put after Good Morning, Good Moring and the Sgt Pepper reprise. I would not drop any tracks to fit in the others.
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Post by henryj on Jun 5, 2017 1:01:11 GMT
BTW I watched the Howard Goodall presentation last night on the PBS channel. Goodall appears to know what he's talking about. It was stretched to 90 minutes so that the station could ask for donations.
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Post by brewmaster on Jun 5, 2017 9:26:01 GMT
A very enjoyable program, with Howard Goodall doing his usual job of making the musical theory easy to understand. The more of this kind of program I watch the more my respect for the abilities of John and Paul as songwriters increases.
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Post by lovelyrita1 on Jun 5, 2017 15:03:29 GMT
Watched the Howard Goodall doc and it was wonderful but left me with a few thoughts. Strawberry Fields Forever, and Penny Lane recorded in the Sgt Pepper session; where in the running order would they have fitted in?. George's Harrisons track Within You Without You sounds like he was on a different path as early as 1967. His track somehow seems odd compared to the rest of the LP (although it is brilliant) Am I missing something there. SPLHCB sounds ahead of the game even today. If you predate the music and world to 1917 (50 years earlier) you could argue that music has slowed down in its ability to revolutionise. I cannot get my head around the fact that in 5 years they had made 8 studio Lp's and gone from Love Me do to Pepper. That is the equivalent in time frame since London hosted the Olympics. George Martin in discussion with The Beatles felt they were short changing fans by putting singles on the album, but he really regretted in some ways putting his foot down and including Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane on the album, as what a perfect addition to Pepper that would have been. Although Howard Goodall made a good case for George and Within You Without You, with Georges distinctive rhythm section that even the Indians didn't have, i've always thought Only A Northern Song would have been a better George offering, although George himself was rather dismissive of it. It's All Too Much is another great George song had that been written during the Pepper sessions. As expected Howard Goodall's programme was wonderful. I even forwent watching the second half of the Champions league final so i could watch his Pepper programme, this is unheard of in my flat, me not watching the football. You are quite right to have your mind boggled at the leap in creativity of The Beatles , from Love Me Do to Strawberry Fields Forever in 5 momentous years. Your other comment about going back to 1917 and seeing the leap of creativity with Pepper is worth thinking about . For me I think we were lucky , when The Beatles arrived on the scene they made all that went before seem old fashioned Sinatra etc and i think pop music was at it's freshest with the birth of teenagers, so for me the sixties and seventies was where pop was at it's freshest. Of course most people say that about the era they grew up in . I thought the eighties was a shocking decade for music and fashions and a complete lack of a musical movement for young people, however before you think i'm an old fogey, the last big musical movement was one i can say i was part of, The Rave scene and dance revolution in the nineties. This was psychedelia reborn with a dance beat. In my teens when i saw footage of Woodstock and The Summer of Love i was so envious that we didn't have anything like that for our generation , happy smiling faces feeling optimistic , that nothing was impossible and this was their time, well this was the feeling of the happy ravers particularly in the early nineties, for me this the last proper youth movement , i was lucky to get into this as i was around 30 years old with most people 10 years younger but you got quite a few older hippy types who were drawn into this scene. Did you know that Steve Hillage of Gong was the chap that introduced the dance tent at Glastonbury , he plays techno under the name System 7. I seem to have gone a little bit off topic from discussing The Howard Goodall programme but your post raised some interesting points.
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Post by mrmustard on Jun 5, 2017 17:30:21 GMT
I don't think a running order including Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane was even considered. They were recorded, along with When I'm 64, first in the Pepper sessions and completed well before the rest of the was completed. I am not aware that George Martin even speculated what a possible running order may have looked like at a later date. Not that I've read anyway.
Within You, Without You is a very underrated piece of music. It's importance took a long time to be appreciated. Howard Goodall explained this very well. It's Only A Northern Song may have fitted well on the album but it's nowhere near as important as Within You Without You. It's All Too Much is a fantastic song/piece of music. Again very underrated and very much ahead of it's time by about 20 years! For that reason alone, assuming it was available for Pepper, it wouldn't have fitted.
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Post by Mr Kite on Jun 5, 2017 18:23:05 GMT
Its tricky to start changing Pepper as like a Mona Lisa it is what it is You can`t mess around with masterpieces for it is in hindsight
George Martin was`nt to happy about the White album being a double
Pepper is masterpiece and it should be left alone in my humble
I hope we get all the shanigans with the 50th anniversary of the White album
I do think Rain should have been on Revolver though instead of Yellow sub ... Bloody love Steve Hillage I think he mapped out his career on It`s All To Much ... And he even doe`s Getting Better !
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