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Post by trev1 on Apr 22, 2014 7:38:52 GMT
If so what is your username I am looking to connect with people on it. It is great for sharing songs, musical tatses and seeing what other people are listening too. It's also great for new listening ideas My username on it is johnpaulgeorge1 .. look me up if you are on it Trev.
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Post by The End on Apr 22, 2014 17:24:33 GMT
If so what is your username I am looking to connect with people on it. It is great for sharing songs, musical tatses and seeing what other people are listening too. It's also great for new listening ideas My username on it is johnpaulgeorge1 .. look me up if you are on it Trev. Feel free to add me Trev - I'm on there as TheEndUK Applies to anyone else who wants to add me on there of course :-) AL
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Post by The End on Apr 22, 2014 17:30:52 GMT
More plays of Michael Jackson than the Beatles though Trev?
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Post by trev1 on Jul 24, 2014 11:38:48 GMT
More plays of Michael Jackson than the Beatles though Trev? lol yeah went though a phase there a while back. It's changed now but the beatles are still only at number 3 in my charts... hope that will have changed though by beatle week !!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 14:59:45 GMT
michael jackson isn't even a real musician.he couldnt play a instrument.and he also had to hire a team of writers called the west coast writers to write songs for him that he would buy from them or just add his name to it for cowriter credits.you want proof watch the bad anniversary dvd.they interview some of these writers he hired.so there you have a guy who couldn't write and a guy that couldn't play music.how can you respect someone like that?plus last fm is horrible i recommend pandora.last fm is missing so much music.they don't even have coke escovedo.sheila e's uncle.
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Post by trev1 on Jul 24, 2014 19:50:41 GMT
michael jackson isn't even a real musician.he couldnt play a instrument.and he also had to hire a team of writers called the west coast writers to write songs for him that he would buy from them or just add his name to it for cowriter credits.you want proof watch the bad anniversary dvd.they interview some of these writers he hired.so there you have a guy who couldn't write and a guy that couldn't play music.how can you respect someone like that?plus last fm is horrible i recommend pandora.last fm is missing so much music.they don't even have coke escovedo.sheila e's uncle. everyone to their own, music is very subjective. The reason Michael Jackson was top of my playlist was because I just joined LastFM and was playing thriller and some of his earlier albums like off the wall that I enjoy. So what if he couldn't write a song or play an instrument, neither could Elvis Presley or Frank Sinatra. But he sure could put emotion into a song and had a great voice in the early years. I am not a fan of his later stuff. Anyways I don;t need to explain to you or anyone else about my taste in music or justify what i listen to. My tastes are quite eclectic, ... i listen to rock, post rock, punk, country, classical and all sorts, depending on my mood. I use MediaMonkey to scrobble songs to LastFM which works fine for me...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 21:12:44 GMT
elvis played piano and guitar he was a musician.so i respect him unlike michael jackson.as for frank sinatra i have no respect for him either he had people write him songs and he couldnt play music either.and as for you saying so what.well it is a big deal if you have standards.but obviously you don't.michael didnt even write thriller.i dont see how you can respect someone in music who doesnt even have enough talent to play it.but then again as i said you don't have standards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 21:15:35 GMT
that is why i hate all those new boy bands that need a band behind them.like one direction and nsync and backstreet boys and all those other 15 min fame groups who don't have enough talent to play music.manufactured groups put together by someone who is trying to manipulate the public.and knows what will sell to teenage girls.nothing to do with music.
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Post by trev1 on Jul 25, 2014 10:08:56 GMT
elvis played piano and guitar he was a musician.so i respect him unlike michael jackson.as for frank sinatra i have no respect for him either he had people write him songs and he couldnt play music either.and as for you saying so what.well it is a big deal if you have standards.but obviously you don't.michael didnt even write thriller.i dont see how you can respect someone in music who doesnt even have enough talent to play it.but then again as i said you don't have standards. You don't know me from Adam and I didn't come on here to have arguments with muppets like you. I never said I respect him I just enjoy the (pre-Bad) music (big difference) and yes I think he had a great voice and he done what he done very well. He could put a lot of feeling into songs and reach a lot of high notes. If you listen to something like his version of 'Ain't No Sunshine' ( ) the registrar his hits in terms of his voice is fantastic. An album like 'Off The Wall' is one of the best pop-disco albums of all time (in my opinion). He actually covers a Paul McCartney song on it called 'Girlfriend'. I might take it out once in a while when I'm getting ready for a night out or when the mood fits. Of course The Beatles are my favorite band but I need to take a break from them sometimes. As I already said I have appreciation for a lot of different styles of music. If someone likes Frank Sinatra can make a song his own then fair play to him. Your attitude does not make any sense, like if I don't like an artist that you don't like I have 'no standards'. I started this thread to look to make a few friends and you come on about as friendly as a fart! No go away and stop annoying me , I did not come onto this forum to be insulted okay. Have you honestly nothing better to do than slag off my musical tastes ? (and not in a nice way) ...
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Post by Amadeus on Jul 25, 2014 16:04:18 GMT
Oh Trev! You're so gay! (just kidding)
For the uneducated here: a brief history of 'show biz': In the beginning there were writers, there were musicians and there were Performers. Up until the '60's (generally speaking) that's the way it always was. And the singer/performers were just as talented as the writers and musicians. Just in a different way. So don't ever confuse talent with only being able to write and play. One is just a legitimate as the other.
Elvis couldn't write and could barely strum a few chords but his fame was based on his voice and dance moves coupled with a few great songs written for him. But he was manipulated by his manager which explains the fact that at least, half of his songs were crap and he slid into terrible tween movies after the army.
Michael Jackson managed to gain enough power and influence to be able to call some of his own shots in his career. Him and Quincy Jones spent A LOT of time going over songs together, (not written by either of them mostly) to create the album that became Thriller. So, we had the writers, the musicians, the brilliant producer (Quincy) and the talented dancer/singer/performer. Each part was just as important as the other.
'nsync and all those are very manufactured/manipulated creations with limited ability which is why they faded after a few years.
But never confuse talent with merely being able to write and play. There's talent in the ability to sing and dance too.
Beatlebum,,,,,, come here to learn and share like the rest of us did. It's OK to say you don't like Michael Jackson but it's not OK to dismiss him as crap and say that people who do like him are no-taste bumbling idiots.
Just a friendly reminder that Beatleforum welcomes careful drivers. Or something....
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Post by The End on Jul 25, 2014 16:09:07 GMT
Hi! It's all well and good to have differences of opinion, in fact vigorous debate is actively encouraged on this forum but please try not to resort to any personal insults. This is a very friendly forum and we're all here for the same reason, so wanna shake hands and make up? :-) AL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 21:39:26 GMT
amadeus says there is talent in singing and dancing.well then he must think the pussycat dolls have talent because that's what people do who can't play music.i don't buy into that excuse to justify the fact that these people don't have enough talent to play music and write songs.if michael has talent like you say then he should have been able to write his own songs and play music.you must like one direction too since they need a band behind them and can't play either.elvis played piano too and very well i might add.he didn't just play guitar.so you saying he could only strum a few chords doesn't hold up.i'm not making excuses for people with no musical talent like you are. i also listen to many other types of music not just beatles.the difference is i listen to other musicians not people in music who couldn't play it.i have standards.michael had the west coast writers write him hit songs.that is why he always had hits.same with sinatra.when you have great writers who write great stuff for you you can stay around a long time.but that doesn't look very impressive in the talent department.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 21:41:12 GMT
oh and what i'm saying isn't an opinion.fact michael couldnt play music.fact michael hired a team of writers called the west coast writers who wrote hit songs for him that he bought or added his name to.those are facts i am mentioning not opinions.real musicians don't respect people like that.because they have everything handed to them.
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Post by Amadeus on Jul 25, 2014 22:17:40 GMT
Ok Beatlebum. Step up and do us a song and dance to a hit single.
'Real' musicians aren't so close minded as to think that they have the monopoly on talent. What about the guy who did the album cover? What about the guy who booked the tour?
It's like saying that Karen Kain has no talent because she doesn't write the music and make her own costumes.
And it is too bloody opinion. Lots of people like Mike and even the bloody pussycat dolls. Let them like it! Keith Richards (is he talented?) doesn't give a crap.
And I don't think you heard a word I said; that the business for decades was run with writers/musicians/singers and they were all different people.
Prove to me that you're a bit more reasonable than I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 0:24:02 GMT
ao accodring to your logic nsync had talent.pussycat dolls have talent.keith richards wrote songs and played guitar of course he is talented.how can you even compare him to people in music who dont write songs or play anything.so for me saying michael jackson couldnt play music and had a team of writers write him songs is an opinion?those are facts not opinions.and in the real world of musicians,real musicians dont respect people in music who cant play it and have to hire a team of writers to write songs for them.that's not talent.the guy who books the tour and the guy who does the album jacket wouldnt be doing that if not for the musicians.besides that we are talking about musicians in the field of music not drawing or booking tours.you are comparing apples to oranges.this is about people in music not about other categories.why dont you go in front of a group of musicians and tell them the pussycat dolls have talent even though they cant play music.see if they dont laugh at you.
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Post by Amadeus on Jul 26, 2014 0:45:39 GMT
I've been travelling and performing in the world of 'real' musicians for nearly 40 years and most of them are a lot more polite than you are. And nobody laughs at me. Different people are talented at different things and different people like to be entertained by those different things.
But you will refuse to acknowledge that there are more viewpoints than your own that are as relevant as yours is. When I was your age I knew everything too but I wasn't so rude about it.
So, go ahead and react like I think you will and see if we all don't laugh at you. If you want to have a discussion, welcome. If you want to insult folks who think differently than you then they might just tell you to piss off.
Just saying. And I am resolutely staying friendly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 1:29:36 GMT
i believe you are lying because there is no way real musicians respect people in music who dont have enough talent to play it.i havent insulted anybody.the others are the ones name calling.i notice you said nothing about nsync and pussycat dolls.no way those grouos are respected in the world of musicians.you are lying because i am a musician and i dont respect groups like one direction and neither do any of the bands i meet.nobody respects that that is a musician.you are just saying that because you don't want to be proven wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 1:32:06 GMT
more view points?what is more important that playing music if you're in the music field?nothing.people who can't play music dance.hence the pussycat dolls and one direction.i can't believe you defend people like that.and nobody believes you when you say that musicians wont laugh at you if you go up to them and say one direction has talent.least not musicians.maybe teenage girls who dont care if they play music or not because they dont have standards.
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Post by Amadeus on Jul 26, 2014 2:09:58 GMT
i believe you are lying because there is no way real musicians respect people in music who dont have enough talent to play it.i havent insulted anybody.the others are the ones name calling. Just poor Trev1 has no standards and I'm a liar. About what? I don't know. And point out all the name calling there was. First of all, you don't know what kind of music I like, but you never bothered to find out. No idea what my musical abilities are, but you never bothered to find out. No idea about all the musicians and genres I've been involved with over the decades, but you never bothered to find out. If a person can entertain an audience, that's talent. It doesn't matter whether or not their 'art' has staying power, they fade out and the next 'hairstyle' comes along. But anyone in the music industry would agree that Mike had talent. All of their music doesn't matter to me but it does mildly irritate when somebody says the new Beyonce record sucks because generations are weaned on this stuff whether you enjoy it or not. Why is that so hard to understand? If you're interested at all in having a conversation, ask me some questions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 3:52:07 GMT
you are a liar because if you go up to musicians and bands they will laugh at you if you tell them one direction has talent or nsync or pussycat dolls or anybody in music who couldnt play it.it doesnt matter what your music abilities are or what music you listen to.if these people have talent like you say then why cant they have enough talent to play music or write songs?having the music done for you and songs provided to you is not talent.and the only people in music that would agree michael had talent is the famous musicians because it would increase their music sales and decrease their music sales if they said anything bad about michael.but amateur musicians such as myself will say the truth about michael.beyonce is no musician so i wont listen to her.i have standards and only listen to real musicians who make their own music.you mention these people and say they have talent but if they are in music and have talent why can't they have enough talent to play it?even madonna plays guitar on stage.i respect her.even lady gaga plays the piano.i hate lady gaga but i respect her because she is a musician.so it doesnt matter if they have staying power huh?well then go up to some musicians and tell them nsync had talent and see what they do.you are defending people like that.no musician would take you seriously if you defend people in the music business that couldnt play music.
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