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Post by ROCKY on Mar 17, 2014 23:15:34 GMT
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Post by pothos on Mar 18, 2014 10:36:21 GMT
A few questions Rocky.
Do you think these items will reach / exceed the estimates?. Do you think the potential buyers will be fan's of the Beatles or aficionados of the types of guitars on sale. Is the market for guitars still growing. I can imagine Les Paul's, Beatles and Hendricks are most sought after. What is the missing guitar that collectors want.
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 18, 2014 12:29:46 GMT
1) I'm sure it will reach it's estimate. 2) Mostly guitars like this are out of the reach of most Beatle fans and are usually bid on representatives of museums and places like the Hard Rock Café, Paul Allen's EMP Museum in Seattle, The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland, etc. My guess is that Olivia & Dhani Harrison will have someone bid on it for them and will win it. 3) There are a few 'missing' guitars that are lost. Dylan's 1946 Gibson J-50 which he used from 1961-63, his 1930 Nick Lucas Special Gibson J-50 that he used from '63-'65, no one knows what happened to them and Bobby just says they're missing in action. Sir Paul's 1960 Left hand Hofner 500/1 went missing while recording the Get Back movie. These are probably million dollar guitars! Then you have John's 1961 sonic blue Stratocaster, no one has seen that since the Sgt. Pepper sessions. His (George's) Gibson J-50E acoustic is also missing. Two of Buddy Holly's strats were stolen. His '55 and '58 and never recovered. There are a lot of Jimi's strats that are missing. His first two guitars (57 Ozark Supero and 58 Danelectro) are lost. When Brian Jones (Rolling Stones) died fans broke into his house and stole all his guitars, same way when Marc Bolan (T.Rex) and Syd Barrett (Pink Floyd) died. There are a lot of guitars under Amadeus' bed that haven't seen the light of day too! lol
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Post by pothos on Mar 18, 2014 18:04:21 GMT
I am actually staggered at the level of thefts; would this effect guitar values if ownership could be questioned.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 18, 2014 21:43:51 GMT
I wonder how these stolen instruments would be 'rediscovered', and be able to prove that they are the missing instruments? I guess serial numbers. Also, who's gonna answer the questions when they bring one of these instruments 'out' in the open? Who's gonna admit they have that '61 Hofner? Or John's Jumbo Gibson acoustic? Or the strat?
They must be out there. Do you think they've changed hands a few times? Do you think current owners have no idea what they have?
And never mind what's under my bed. The less questions asked, the less awkward we all have to feel.
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Post by pothos on Mar 18, 2014 23:11:04 GMT
A couple of months ago the BBC broadcast a programme on the fate on stolen art. They interviewed some knowledgeable detectives who shattered the myth that stolen artworks end up in the hands of dodgy billionaire art collectors who want items by any means even from theft and what actually happens is that the pieces end up as bargaining chips or collateral between major criminal organisations; shifted around the world at great speed covering the backs of some really nasty people so what are the odds that the same fate has befallen these classic guitars.
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Post by henryj on Mar 18, 2014 23:22:01 GMT
I guess everybody clicked on the link and saw that it's the Ric 425 solid body that George got when he was visiting his sister Louise in Chicago, and not the Ric 360-12 Old-Style that was given him by the Rickenbacker people when the Beatles first visited America as a group.
Which might make it a little more affordable.
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 19, 2014 13:34:10 GMT
Also when George Peckham received the guitar from George Harrison he made a few 'improvements'. He routed the body and added a new pickup which he then had to add a new faceguard. He also changed the tuners from Klusons to Grovers. When Harrison first got the guitar at Red Fenton's Music Store it was a red sunburst and Fenton refinished it in black for George.
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Post by ROCKY on Mar 19, 2014 13:42:42 GMT
I wonder how these stolen instruments would be 'rediscovered', and be able to prove that they are the missing instruments? I guess serial numbers. Also, who's gonna answer the questions when they bring one of these instruments 'out' in the open? Who's gonna admit they have that '61 Hofner? Or John's Jumbo Gibson acoustic? Or the strat? They must be out there. Do you think they've changed hands a few times? Do you think current owners have no idea what they have? And never mind what's under my bed. The less questions asked, the less awkward we all have to feel. Eric Johnson's stolen '62 strat is a good example as to what may happen when a stolen guitar is found.(Which btw is up on ebay now.) Also the fiasco of George's stolen 'Lucy' Les Paul is another story of a stolen guitar that was returned. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(guitar)And believe it or not there are some people when they discover they have found someone's guitar they return it!! Charlie Daniels guitar is a good example of this happening. www.flickr.com/photos/24263770@N05/4036038660/ Just take a look at what is missing, just in America, and just the ones that are reported!! maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104368143324956837690.00044e8e53c95ef9a38f6&dg=feature
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Post by ROCKY on May 18, 2014 12:35:37 GMT
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Post by Bongo on May 18, 2014 20:57:56 GMT
It was I who bought it for $657,000. And then I woke up from my nice afternoon nap!
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Post by ROCKY on May 19, 2014 11:16:25 GMT
Please don't wake me no don't shake me leave me where I am I'm only sleeping.
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