andreysetter
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Post by andreysetter on Dec 12, 2012 14:01:43 GMT
Well I guess we all know about how The Beatles were talented and inspiring. But how could they turn their songs into something better? I mean, which aspects do you guys think that should be changed in the songs? Well I've thought of something:
-The Word (Rubber Soul): I think they should have made the chorus longer. I find it amazing, but it isn't really explored in this song. Maybe also give the chorus a twist with a heavier guitar sound and a louder snare and kick (this guy shows what I mean right here ... In my opinion, Paul should have sang the chorus, in the style of Helter Skelter.
-For No One (Revolver): This song is my favorite Revolver's one. A deeper bass would make it perfect. Also, I guess For No One shouldn't be that short. They could come up with a bridge and make it a five minutes song with no problem.
-A Day In The Life (Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band) Perfect song. I would appreciate if the "Aah''s right after Paul's part were longer. It would make my goosebumps to be longer as well.
-Both Sgt Peppers (Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band) Both songs would be awesome if they put a deeper kick in it, i don't know if you know what I mean. In the "not reprise" one, George's guitar licks should be louder.
There are other minor suggestions I would give to the guys if I were George Martin those days... Note: I don't think I'm better than Beatles at all (never ever, not even close), those suggestions were just the best way IN MY OPINION to record the songs. What do you think about this? What would you change?
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Post by mrmustard on Dec 12, 2012 23:41:28 GMT
Hi Andreysetter and welcome to the forum!
You would get on like a house on fire with another forum member called Roscoe. Between you both you would have every Beatle song re-written, re-recorded, re-mixed and re-mastered.
Me - I wouldn't change a thing.
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 12, 2012 23:51:02 GMT
Actually....
The White Album. It gives me an over all sense of having NO space in the mix. Most of the songs. I would've mixed a few things differently and for a lot of the tunes, an almost imperceptable sheen of reverb to give the overall sound some life. IMO
I also wouldn't have the bass tracks so isolated in the SGT Pepper's mixes.
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Post by mrmustard on Dec 13, 2012 0:51:51 GMT
I'm not trying to make out every song was perfect in every way. I just think a statement has been made in the songs and recordings that was them at that place in that time. Surely it's wrong to try to change art in any form as its someone's personal expression.
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 13, 2012 1:21:47 GMT
PETE BEST RULES!!!
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Post by The End on Dec 14, 2012 16:30:00 GMT
It's like with really old works of art - restoration should be about bringing artwork back to life as it would have looked originally, it's not about selecting certain colours and bringing them to the fore just because they happen to be in vogue. Having said that, I really did enjoy what they did with the Yellow Submarine Songtrack and, to a certain extent, Let It Be Naked, but I view these as something new and completely separate to the original releases. I'd be happy for more re-mixes of a similar ilk but not as a substitute for the original recordings, which still sound great to me! Agree with Amadeus about the reverb on the White Album - in fact I used to add my own to it! Cry Baby Cry sounds great with a bit added to it. (don't cane me, sir...)
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henryj
For A Number Of Things
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Post by henryj on Dec 15, 2012 3:55:39 GMT
In the early days, they didn't have as much clout to get a lot of studio time. On "I'll Get You," John or Paul sings "I'm gonna make you mine" and the other sings"...change your mind." That could have been cleaned up, but they probably had deadlines looming.
If they did that on purpose, no, that didn't work.
Other that that, I wouldn't mess with any Beatle recordings.
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Post by The Sun King on Dec 16, 2012 17:09:14 GMT
Everyone's entitled to their opinions,But It's insulting to all concerned to even suggest making The Beatles better.Every album is nigh on perfection. Production , engineering ,Instrumentation , Vocal harmonies ,arrangements Experimentation are the best it can ever be.Its testament today on how fresh all the albums sound. Suggesting making choruses longer ,Bass deeper, adding reverb to this & that ,parts added on etc is rubbish in my humble opinion. Your messing with musical Art. What next adding moustache to MichelAngelo,s Statue of David,messing with Beethoven,s 5th.The Beatles will go down in history & wil never be forgotten .Im rather happy with work Messrs George Martin & Geoff Emerick did. Ok Spector nearly cocked it up on Let it be( that's a discussion for another time) At the last count The Beatles have sold 1.6 billion units Second only to Elvis. Everyone involved in The Beatles phenomenon must have done something right. I know it's a bit of fun suggesting changes to everyone's favourite songs ,but the music is of it's time( 62 - 70) & should be left left there for all to enjoy. We have to let it go & realise it was perfection not only 1st time around but now. Peace to all Men Merry Christmas & Happy New year The Sun King
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henryj
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Post by henryj on Dec 30, 2012 0:41:10 GMT
"Every album is nigh on perfection. Production , engineering ,Instrumentation , Vocal harmonies ,arrangements Experimentation are the best it can ever be.Its testament today on how fresh all the albums sound. "
I agree. That's why I never got around to purchasing the Anthology Boxes in the '90s. I thought they were nothing more than outtakes.
I will say that Beatle outtakes were better that most artists' final product.
Having said all that, if I were assigned the task of modifying a Beatle cut, it would be "Savoy Truffle." I would try to make George's guitar sound more like a dentist's drill. The White Album was recorded before George developed his slide chops; I was reminded of driving home from a dental appointment and hearing the radio play a cut from the Allman Bros. Fillmore Live album, noting how much Duane Allman's slide guitar sounded like my dentist's drill.
Since it is, after all, a protest song against chocolate.
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 30, 2012 1:04:24 GMT
ger ,Bass deeper, adding reverb to this & that ,parts added on etc is rubbish in my humble opinion. Your messing with musical Art. What next adding moustache to MichelAngelo,s Statue of David,messing with Beethoven,s 5th.The Beatles will go down in history & wil never be forgo Michelangelo's David contemplates re-mixing every Beatles song.I'm not at all sure what you're trying to get at. Could you be a bit more clear? BTW, mix the banjo higher up in ''And I Love Here'..Wot, there's no banjo? Well there should've been. THEN it would've been perfect. Also, about amount of records sold being second to Elvis, The Beatles reached that number with 13 albums and a few comps. Elvis had to issue 392 albums and 700 comps to get his numbers.
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rdnzl
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Post by rdnzl on Jan 11, 2013 23:47:26 GMT
I always thought "I Want To Hold Your Hand" would be better if it was "I Want To Hold Your Ham", because eating ham is good if you like meat.
As far as "A Day In The Life" goes, I think the middle section where Paul sings "woke up, fell outta bed" should be replaced by a rap version of that section, with some of that scratchy record noise added in. Maybe Lil' Wayne could do it.
"Within You Without You" should have been performed on the kazoo, with George singing in a more operatic style. The laughs at the end should have been babies crying.
"Octopus's Garden" should have been written to describe the garden. I want to know what exactly was in that garden.
"I'm So Tired" would have been great if the sound of The Beatles actually falling asleep & snoring at the end.
In other words, why change this stuff? Weren't The Beatles enjoyable as they were? Don't overanalize it...LISTEN & ENJOY.
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 12, 2013 0:49:23 GMT
I always thought "I Want To Hold Your Hand" would be better if it was "I Want To Hold Your Ham", because eating ham is good if you like meat. As far as "A Day In The Life" goes, I think the middle section where Paul sings "woke up, fell outta bed" should be replaced by a rap version of that section, with some of that scratchy record noise added in. Maybe Lil' Wayne could do it. "Within You Without You" should have been performed on the kazoo, with George singing in a more operatic style. The laughs at the end should have been babies crying. "Octopus's Garden" should have been written to describe the garden. I want to know what exactly was in that garden. "I'm So Tired" would have been great if the sound of The Beatles actually falling asleep & snoring at the end. In other words, why change this stuff? Weren't The Beatles enjoyable as they were? Don't overanalize it...LISTEN & ENJOY. And don't you just think George should have had a touch more treble on his guitar in the Nowhere Man solo? No I don't but I'm sure someone could make this happen. I couldn't agree more with your sentiment rdnzl.
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Post by mrmustard on Jan 12, 2013 0:52:45 GMT
PETE BEST RULES!!! Yes and so does Peter Banks.
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Post by Amadeus on Jan 12, 2013 2:55:28 GMT
PETE BEST RULES!!! Yes and so does Peter Banks. Yes! BTW, I think the treble on Nowhere Man is fine. Maybe a bit more compression?
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henryj
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Post by henryj on Jan 28, 2013 0:43:56 GMT
How could Beatles be better?
Uhh, isn't that what the "Love" CD is about? I hate to say it, but "Within You Without You" does sound better with the "Tomorrow Never Knows" drum loop.
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