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Post by Mr Kite on Sept 9, 2012 12:53:06 GMT
I have thought for many many years that Scotish football was a floating ship wreck . I can`t understand what went wrong with it . In the 70`s when I started watching football they were some great players . Lou Macari , Martin Buchan , Gordan McQueen , Joe Jordan, Pat Crerand, Denis Law , and thats just Utd Players ! Great Scotish managers Busby, Ferguson, Docherty , Dalglish , Shankley , Stein ,
Where has all the talent gone .
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Post by The End on Sept 9, 2012 15:32:53 GMT
I think they're just too old to play now!
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Post by Mr Kite on Sept 9, 2012 16:00:53 GMT
You have a valid point there Al.
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Post by The Sun King on Sept 9, 2012 19:41:51 GMT
I have thought for many many years that Scotish football was a floating ship wreck . I can`t understand what went wrong with it . In the 70`s when I started watching football they were some great players . Lou Macari , Martin Buchan , Gordan McQueen , Joe Jordan, Pat Crerand, Denis Law , and thats just Utd Players ! Great Scotish managers Busby, Ferguson, Docherty , Dalglish , Shankley , Stein , Where has all the talent gone . They were good players. Dalglish, Souness,Hansen,Were great players
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Post by Mr Kite on Dec 9, 2012 18:23:13 GMT
A Picture Paints A Thousand Words .
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Post by Mr Kite on May 8, 2013 17:47:02 GMT
End of an era and of a legend .
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Post by The Sun King on May 8, 2013 21:18:09 GMT
Great news Ferguson has retired. The league now will be a level playing ground. Everyone from referees to the F.A ,even young managers they were all terrified of upsetting Ferguson. He Took 7 yrs to win the league,Moyes will be sacked at the end of his 1st season. He won't be given the time. Utd then go on the manager merry go round like every other club & will lose the stability that Ferguson gave them. Made my day when I heard the news. Bob Paisley will always be my No 1 manager. 6 titles 3 Euro cup in 9 yrs. Ferguson won 3 trophies in the same time span. 3 Euro cups to Fergusons 2. That'll do me. You'll never walk Alone.
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Post by ranger on May 9, 2013 5:52:26 GMT
Alex Ferguson - a charmless man at a charmless club in a charmless era.
Admittedly, not entirely of his own making but, on his watch, the Premiership has mutated into a competition that only two teams can win, the domestic cups have been devalued to the point of not existing (it's the F.A. Cup Final on Saturday.....who knew?), and the only really vital position, as Arsenal would testify, is 4th. And 99% of the media's focus is on a boring, bloated, gravy train of a competition.....a.k.a. the 'Champions' League.
Compare that to all the teams who won the League from 1946 through to the late 60s (virtually a different one every season), and how valued the F.A. Cup was in the 50s and 60s.
Don't forget, also, that Ferguson has sought to sabotage the England team at every available opportunity in the last 20 years, and with great success given the amount of rubbish performances put in by pretty much every Manchester United player at that (much higher) level.
Personally, I consider what's happening at Brentford or Northampton or Yeovil Town at the moment more worthy of respect!
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Post by The Sun King on May 9, 2013 7:14:59 GMT
Points very made ranger,totally agree. One year Man U actually opted out of the FA cup to go & play in some mickey mouse world club championship. I've always detested Ferguson because of his arrogance.Always insisting to be called Sir Alex. Would never give the opposing team any credit.BBC upset him, he never spoke to them for years. I recognise his a achievements & longevity to the world of football, but he will never be loved outside Man utd.
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Post by Mr Kite on May 9, 2013 21:37:08 GMT
Ah yes , the reponse I expected.
Fergie was revered that much there was much rejoicing around England .
Charmless ? Have you ever met him ?
Sabbotage England ? The F.A . have done without the help of Fergie . By the way Utd have had the most players that have played for England .
2 played for them when they won the World Cup. Utd were Forced to play in the World Club Championship . The most succsessful manager in football history ?
38 trophies .
He is a winner and when your a winner the people you leave in your wake don`t like it , they find excuses and faults and are just bitter that they are not on the roller coaster of greatness that he and his teams have given us for the last 26 years . Cheers Sir Alex .
Loved Adored Hated, But Never Ignored
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Post by The Sun King on May 10, 2013 4:17:28 GMT
Everyone connected with football are dancing in street now ferguson has gone. LFC fans & even EFC fans are laughing their heads off at the Moyes appointment . No trophy in 11 yrs, big boot football ,no Euro experience . It's going to be painful to watch & funny too to see how blagger Moyes gets on. Ferguson had to go sometime,but the end of an era & a dominant winning cycle is over. It will go pear shaped like it did when busby retired. Remember utd were relegated just 6 yrs after winning the euro cup. I'm not saying utd won't be challanging for trophies.Its just that the mystique has gone & they have fallen into the pack again. I see it like this ,utd could win the league or a cup & then come 6th the next season. Up & down instead of dominating the top two. This is Liverpool ,s chance to "Get Back" to where they once belonged ,come on you reds.
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Post by Mr Kite on May 10, 2013 16:34:43 GMT
He`s only gone upstairs ! . Interesting how you bring up that Moyes has not won any trohpies . What has Liverpool`s latest manager won ?
Ar`nt you forgetting City`s billions . I think Manchester is going to be on the trophies next season if not Red then it will be Blue (Sadly) Then you have the return of Mouriniho at Chelsea.
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Post by The Sun King on May 10, 2013 20:55:50 GMT
In the 11 yrs Moyes was manager of Everton ,Houlier won the league cup,Benitez won champions league & FA cup & Dalglish won the league cup. Rodgers has only been manager for 1 season. Moyes had 11seasons & won nothing. Everyone connected with utd think Moyes is the real deal. You should heard the phone ins in Liverpool when they lost against Wigan. They were all calling for Moyes,s head ,it was only 6 weeks ago. If I was a Utd fan I would be devastated by this appointment. It had to be Mourinho to guarantee success. My brother is an Evertonian & he's made up Moyes has gone. He felt he was tactically naive & more interestingly unlucky. Winning cycles have to end if only to start again in the future. It's ended for Utd. I bet you ferguson has to come out of retirement to save utd.
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Post by Mr Kite on May 11, 2013 11:30:50 GMT
Only time will tell . I watch every Man United game and we have not played well for a few seasons now and it was time for a change . The difference between Man Utd and Everton is money. That is the way football is run today . Look at Man City , would they have won the league last season if they did`nt have all those billions ? Or are you telling me it was the manager ( they won it on goal difference !) Mourinio was not for Utd . I know he is a great manager and won this and that . But it`s always been with money behind him . He was lucky at Porto . They knocked out Utd , yes , but Utd had a perfect goal disallowed. The most important agenda is himself ,next up what trophies he can win , then the team . He is not a club manager . Why Ferguson was so succsessful at Utd was that the most important thing is the club. wiining cycles , yeh I`ve heard that in 95 when Blackburn won the league . And from those noisey neighbours across the road . Remember how Paisley took over from Shankley . Not really went down hill did it .
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Post by The Sun King on May 11, 2013 18:58:05 GMT
Points well made Kitey & a honest opinion too. Hear what your saying regarding Mourinho. The thing with the special one is he would guarantee success. He would bring the champions league back to old Trafford . But the thing is he would then leave Utd after three yrs to go AC Milan or somewhere . Where as Moyes will give loyalty I just think when Utd had a few bad results it was always the players fault ,where as at all other clubs it always the manager. You've got to hope they cut Moyes enough slack. Personally what with phone ins & stuff I don't Moyes will get it. City lost today & will be under pressure also next year. I just hope our young manager Rodgers get us going.
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Post by Mr Kite on May 11, 2013 19:29:14 GMT
Man Utd V Wigan in the Community Shield . Our Dave should hit the ground running . Well Done Wigan . they have just become my second Fav team .
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Post by The Sun King on May 11, 2013 19:42:11 GMT
I thought Liverpool were your second team.
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Post by Mr Kite on May 11, 2013 19:47:15 GMT
I thought Liverpool were your second team. Liverpool is my second favorite City (always has been )
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Post by ranger on May 11, 2013 20:08:16 GMT
I won't dwell on this too long, but Ferguson's success has been largely made in a fantastically uncompetitive league. Pre-TV money, pre-premiership, pre-gravy train, and Man. U. were nowhere near as dominant. Now, only two teams can win it! TWO teams! The boat race is GENUINELY more competitive, at least you can get a tie. The bookies will give you about 10/1 on Arsenal winning the league next season, but what is their actual chance, 20/1, 50/1? More like 100/1, and they're the 3rd/4th best team!
I watch (on a terrace, cheaply, and without prawn sandwiches) competitive football, and Man. U., trust me, rarely crops up in the conversation. What would we say? It would be like talking about Tesco's.
On a lighter note, and not to do with Man. U.....today's figure rose to 12, and at the end of this month when a German team wins the 'Champions' League, the figure will rise to 13, can you guess what I'm referring to? (Ironically if football was more competitive, the figure would be greater!).
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Post by beatles4ever on May 11, 2013 20:51:33 GMT
Wigan certainly gave it Wigan
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