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Post by alexis on Dec 29, 2007 17:17:24 GMT
You know, that really soft muted solo (just around the time of someone saying "I like the lights ...", I hope I remember that correctly) ?
I always thought it was a beautiful choice of what to play there for George, but someone said they were pretty sure it was John.
Anyone think they know for sure?
Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 9:42:18 GMT
You know, that really soft muted solo (just around the time of someone saying "I like the lights ...", I hope I remember that correctly) ? I always thought it was a beautiful choice of what to play there for George, but someone said they were pretty sure it was John. Anyone think they know for sure? Thanks! Indeed he did alexis. He also played rythm guitar whilst George played six string bass! Information can be found here ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_Pie
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Post by BlueMeanie on Dec 30, 2007 10:06:12 GMT
I've never before heard that George played 6 string bass. I wonder where the information came from? There are no references for the Wiki article. Maybe Brian can help?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 11:17:18 GMT
I've never before heard that George played 6 string bass. I wonder where the information came from? There are no references for the Wiki article. Maybe Brian can help? I've just had a browse through Mark Lewisohn's 'The Complete Beatles' which chronicles that, on 1st October 1968, the first 'take' of 'Honey Pie' was recorded with Paul on piano, John on electric guitar, George on bass and Ringo on drums. The final track didn't change from that arrangement.
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Post by alexis on Dec 30, 2007 13:49:20 GMT
Thanks, arthurlee ... very cool!
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Post by BlueMeanie on Dec 31, 2007 0:10:06 GMT
I've never before heard that George played 6 string bass. I wonder where the information came from? There are no references for the Wiki article. Maybe Brian can help? I've just had a browse through Mark Lewisohn's 'The Complete Beatles' which chronicles that, on 1st October 1968, the first 'take' of 'Honey Pie' was recorded with Paul on piano, John on electric guitar, George on bass and Ringo on drums. The final track didn't change from that arrangement. I looked at the same thing. Doesn't mention 6 string bass. Interesting if he did play it, though. Any other refs?
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Post by Bobber on Dec 31, 2007 14:00:45 GMT
Ian McDonald mentions the 6 string bass in Revolution In The Head.
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Post by BlueMeanie on Jan 1, 2008 11:51:13 GMT
Ian McDonald mentions the 6 string bass in Revolution In The Head. Funny it's not mentioned by Lewisohn. It's the kind of thing that he'd put in. Are there any photo's of him playing it, or any mention of 6 string bass in any other song? I'd have thought that if anyone was going to play 6 string it would have been Paul.
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Post by The End on Jan 2, 2008 1:35:15 GMT
Not a great pic, but here is John playing the Fenfer VI bass to which you are referring... George also played it for the Hey Jude promo film...
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Post by BlueMeanie on Jan 2, 2008 12:43:24 GMT
Thanks for that. I never realised that that was a six string bass. It must have been one of the first ones?
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Post by Bobber on Jan 2, 2008 13:15:30 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this bass dates from 1961.
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Post by BlueMeanie on Jan 2, 2008 13:33:24 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this bass dates from 1961. Being a non-musician, that just shows up my ignorance then! I'm surprised there were six string basses then. What enlightenment there is to find here, sometimes!
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Post by Bobber on Jan 2, 2008 14:27:48 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this bass dates from 1961. Being a non-musician, that just shows up my ignorance then! I'm surprised there were six string basses then. What enlightenment there is to find here, sometimes! Again, I'm not sure, but I found that this particular bass was called the '1961 Fender Bass VI'. Soooo, I figured that it dates from 1961, but it might as well be a serial number.
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Post by The End on Jan 2, 2008 23:39:35 GMT
The "Fender Bass VI" in the large pic is a recent re-issue but it was first introduced in 1961. Due to its bassy sound (strung like a conventional 6 string guitar but a whole octave lower), it became very popular with surf groups of that era. The Beatles acquired theirs sometime in 1968 through a deal they had with Fender and it was first used on the White Album.
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Post by briank on Jan 5, 2008 8:48:12 GMT
Bass VI is used on several White Album (and maybe Let It Be) tracks. Usually in conjunction with a second bass part doubling it, as it's so thing sounding.
I don't know who plays that part, and I always doubt when people say they know, unless there is some written evidence.
Mark Lewisohn is THE best Beatles researcher in the world, but he does not know instruments or recording procedures as well.
Ian McDonald assumes or makes up too many things for me to use his book as a reference. Some of it IS fact, but some not, so I can't decide. This bass VI is one example.
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Post by zipp on Jan 5, 2008 10:15:24 GMT
Ian McDonald assumes or makes up too many things for me to use his book as a reference. Some of it IS fact, but some not, so I can't decide. This bass VI is one example. I've always wondered how reliable McDonald is. Do you have any other examples that come to mind where you don't think he's right?
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Post by Michelle Revolution on Jan 16, 2008 0:53:01 GMT
Ian McDonald assumes or makes up too many things for me to use his book as a reference. Some of it IS fact, but some not, so I can't decide. This bass VI is one example. I've always wondered how reliable McDonald is. Do you have any other examples that come to mind where you don't think he's right? I quite enjoyed MacDonald's book, but some of his comments about George's songwriting make for some uncomfortable reading. I also totally disagree with his comments about Nowhere Man (and a few other tracks that are particular favorites of mine).
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Post by alexis on Jan 16, 2008 5:24:34 GMT
I've always wondered how reliable McDonald is. Do you have any other examples that come to mind where you don't think he's right? I quite enjoyed MacDonald's book, but some of his comments about George's songwriting make for some uncomfortable reading. I also totally disagree with his comments about Nowhere Man (and a few other tracks that are particular favorites of mine). What did he say about George's songwriting and about Nowhere Man that you didn't like?
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Post by briank on Jan 21, 2008 6:06:21 GMT
I don't have the book anymore - I found it speculative in a lot of places. One of the things he cited as a source was "careful listening". While this is not a bad thing to do, it's very hard to tell some things like Bass VI by listening.
I usually go through Beatles books and note errors. However, it's pretty common to find them, if you know the subject well. But it's not a big deal (everyone makes some) as long as you don't insist that everything in every book is fact. Generally, we get good info from multiple sources.
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Post by The End on Jan 21, 2008 10:16:03 GMT
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