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Post by rdnzl on Feb 13, 2013 21:55:59 GMT
The London Coliseum show from '69...I recall that "Young Man Blues" from "The Kids Are Alright" soundtrack was recorded at that show.
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Post by liddypool on Feb 25, 2013 21:53:43 GMT
Got tickets to see em at oddessy belfast June 10th. Can't wait.
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Post by ranger on Mar 7, 2013 9:10:17 GMT
The Who?
Game of two halves.
'64 to '68, as befitting that era, they were fabulous but (pretty much as soon as the words 'rock' and opera' were included in the same sentence) after that I'm out of there quicker than a rat up a drainpipe.
The post 60s years seem to correspond with the group suddenly wearing rubbish clothes and getting very ugly and being very 'rawwwwk'.....presumably for the US stadium/AM radio crowd of the (urgh) 1970s, with the sharp English 60s group a distant memory.
And can someone (anyone) explain to me why a film set in '64 with loads of historical inaccuracies (a cover of their '67 LP is shown in one scene) and yet based on a double rock/prog LP from 1973, is so revered? Mods going down a street to songs that sound they were recorded by Genesis. Erm.....great!
Indeed, I'm not sure that I've ever read or heard or spoke to anyone who actually lived in the 60s say that they thought Quadrowotsit was any good. So does any 65 year old out there like it?
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 7, 2013 10:05:18 GMT
Ranger, I think you have totally missed the point about Quadrophenia. It was never a pre-requisite to like the film following the release of the album. Both can be appreciated separately and should be in my opinion.
The original album music is incredible and I think you need to broaden your musical horizons a bit instead of dismissing the album out of hand.
The Who are two distinct phases and I like both but prefer 68 onwards. For me they always seemed more comfortable being a rock band than a mod band. Indeed Daltrey has often stated that he never found his voice until Tommy.
Yes, I feel a re-evaluation is in order Ranger.
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Post by rdnzl on Mar 9, 2013 6:07:41 GMT
QUADROPHENIA I am 51 years old, and I'm in the United States. I experienced "Quadrophenia" as a new release in 1973. As an American, I'm sure some of it went right over my head, but the songs spoke to me...I was only 11 years old, but I could relate to the themes of loneliness, and trying too hard to fit in. I went to talk to the school psychologyst every week for depression, and I felt different than everyone else because of this, and not in a good way. Is it me for a moment, indeed. My interpretation of the album was a bit off, but it worked for me. The music itself is very symphonic while still being rock and roll. Few things make me smile as much as the section of "The Rock" where they reprise the "Helpless Dancer" theme, with Pete playing the melody on guitar while Keith drums his ass off. So perfect it brings a tear to my eye. John Entwistle is a bass monster all over this album. Roger's voice is excellent throughout. Keith's best drumming probably exists right here! Pete? Genius at work....
I can't speak for the film. I must admit that I've only seen about 10 minutes of it. If I ever see the dvd I will get it. But I'm not expecting the film to have anything near the impact the album has on me, even to this day.
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Post by rdnzl on Mar 9, 2013 6:19:08 GMT
One unrelated Who thought...Why is it almost impossible to find a CD of "A Quick One" in STEREO? ? I bought one with the sticker that said it was stereo, but most of it is mono. Some of the bonus tracks are stereo. Makes me feel like my collection is missing a crucial recording.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 9, 2013 21:47:15 GMT
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Post by rdnzl on Mar 14, 2013 3:59:22 GMT
Oddly enough, I had forgotten that I ordered "A Quick One" (Japan Polydor 2 CD SHMCD). It took almost 3 months to get it!!! I forgot I even ordered it from CD Japan. When it failed to show up I figured that perhaps I decided not to get it.
Wonderful surprise yesterday in the mail. This set has a mono mix and a stereo mix of "A Quick One" with lots of bonus tracks. Now I feel WHOle again...
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Post by ranger on Mar 14, 2013 12:16:44 GMT
Point taken mrmustard but if you are going to set a film in '64 why have music that sounds from another (lesser) era entirely? That is something I will never understand.
The best pop film set in the 50s, 'That'll Be The Day' (with Ringo, of course), didn't take it upon itself to have a glam rock soundtrack, did it, even though it was made in 1972. Why would it, it was set in the late 50s!
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 14, 2013 22:19:15 GMT
Yes, I take your point. However what the music is trying to convey is what's going on inside Jimmy's head in music. The agony, the ecstasy, the frustration, the anger, the despair, the suicidal tendancies, the hopelessness etc. For me, The music conveys that better than any 60's inspired songs ever could. So in that respect it does work.
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Post by Amadeus on Mar 15, 2013 2:04:52 GMT
Exactly. It's the soundtrack in Jimmy's head. The actual sound of the '60s is represented by that small sample of ''The Kids Are Alright''.
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Post by ranger on Mar 16, 2013 8:14:14 GMT
If he's got that rawwwkkkk/pomp/prog stuff going on his head, when everyone else is listening to R'n'B circa '64, I guess it would explain why he threw himself over the cliff at the end. Why did he take so long to do it?!
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 21, 2013 19:48:07 GMT
The Who? Game of two halves. Not even a half.
The Who never made a Mod album . My Generation has what ? One song you could class as a Mod song . The Title track is not a Mod song but maybe one of the greatest rock tracks from the 60`s . I have never seen any suited Mod person dancing to this tune ever . Toe in toe out . I think not . A Quick One . Come on , really It`s not a Mod album what`s so ever . The Who are not or never been a Mod band . I shall explain . Yes , I know I wasn`t there ( I was but in nappies ) But the Mod movement was more of a Fashion more than the music . You remember when Burrberry was all the rage ? Same with Mod . Maybe lasted a wee bit longer . Middle class teenagers in suits and nice haircuts . Not really a teenage rebellion was it . The Who were just there at the time and in the public eye and lets say , looking for a following , and like any up and coming band would be grateful to play in front of any paying crowd . If they were a Mod band would they ever wrote A Quick One . Which is a Mini Rock Opera . '64 to '68, as befitting that era, they were fabulous but (pretty much as soon as the words 'rock' and opera' were included in the same sentence) after that I'm out of there quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. 64 to 68 . A befitting Pop era . Pop songs that were in the charts for a few weeks and then forgotten about . Then came Pepper . which as you will know being a Fab Four fan has Rock / Pop / Opera / Prog etc etc. The Who would not be around today if Townsend came up with Tommy . As much as Sell Out is a great album ( not a Mod album by the way ) Tommy put The Who on the map , and as you may know toured the States and of course Woodstock and the rest is Rock history . The post 60s years seem to correspond with the group suddenly wearing rubbish clothes and getting very ugly and being very 'rawwwwk'.....presumably for the US stadium/AM radio crowd of the (urgh) 1970s, with the sharp English 60s group a distant memory. The Who in the 70`s recorded to of the greatest rock albums ever recorded . Who`s Next and of course the greatest Rock album ever . Quadrophenia.The sharp 60`s group were not a Mod band and would they be touring today to sell out arenas playing " Heatwave " ? I think not . Rubbish clouths ! Denim was a working Class afordable gear that was not for your nice middle grammer school wearing nancy`s ( well they got into it when they went to Uni . ) And can someone (anyone) explain to me why a film set in '64 with loads of historical inaccuracies (a cover of their '67 LP is shown in one scene) and yet based on a double rock/prog LP from 1973, is so revered? Mods going down a street to songs that sound they were recorded by Genesis. Erm.....great! The film is crap . You may remember that the Mod scene came back for 12 months at the time of the film ( Hmm crap film , rock soundtrack , they must be Mods! ?) I saw The Who in 79 and they must have played erm ... Oh , Yeh , they did`nt play any Mod songs . So then why was they a handful of lads on mobile hairdryers at the Gig ? Mod`s turning up a Rock gig says everything about the Mod music scene . They go around saying what a great band The Who are and maybe wear rubbish clouths and play Rawwwk , but hey how many Mod bands are they today (1979) . None. then and now . Indeed, I'm not sure that I've ever read or heard or spoke to anyone who actually lived in the 60s say that they thought Quadrowotsit was any good. So does any 65 year old out there like it? You wont find many people who like Quadrophenia from the 60`s as it was a 70`s Rock album that just happen to be a teeange lad going threw the kinda things that every kid from every generation goe`s through . This album was just happen to be about a Mod . I was a rocker when I heard it in late 1977 and it just had the same themes to a teenage kid so what Music or trend he was into . It just happend to be the best god damn rock album that was ever recorded . Thank Christ for the emergence of Rock in the late 60`s as we would have been robbed of this masterpiece . Roll on Liverpoool in June . I will be wearing my T.Shirt and Jeans and looking out for those sad Mod`s that will be turning up for 2 and half hours of Rawwwk ! Long Live Rock And Roll . R.I.P. Mod . ( I suppose , anyone from the 60`s wont remember it )
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Post by ranger on Mar 21, 2013 20:22:40 GMT
One of the reasons I avoided Mod culture (the clothes, the ethos etc.) was precisely because it all seemed so very convoluted and very, very hard work.
Sure The High Numbers 45 and the early Who 45s probably don't cut it for the tiresome mod crowd who were always far more interested in obscure soul and R'n'B anyway (very often for its obscurity rather than its intrinsic value - see 'Northern Soul') but to me The Action, The Small Faces , The Who, The Kinks etc. were Mod Groups.....they wore Mod clothes, they appropriated Mod imagery, they charted (with hugely memorable 45s by the way) in the Mod/Ready Steady Go! era. If it looks like a dog, it barks like a dog, it lifts its leg like a dog, it's a dog!
We agree on one thing, The Who Sell Out is fabulous. I'll have that, my lovely mono copy of My Generation, A Quick One, the RSG EP, the BBC CD (on which the 3 or 4 rawwkkk songs drags the whole thing down) and all the 45s from 'Zoot Suit' to 'Magic Bus' thanks. Job done for me.
Like the post 60s careers of The Kinks, The Pretty Things and The Pink Floyd, I'll leave the vast stadia, the stodgy rawwkkk and the boiler suit/Dr. Marten look to the Americans. Further proof that the Beatles split in 1970 was actually a blessing in disguise.
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 23, 2013 12:08:52 GMT
So then Ranger . You are into Mod Music ( I avoided the Mod clouths too as my dear old mum was fond of knitting me nice cardies once I started to walk ) Your music must be very limited as it lasted what ? 2 years at the very most . ( 64 / 68) as you said . Your not keen on Beatles 67 onwards as they became more than just a 45 pop band . Very much leading the way for The Who , Kink`s and even The Small Faces . Just like me in the 60`s I was a baby and into the simplest things in life nursery rhymes and 3 minute pop songs , but I got older I learned of wonderous joy of the Rock album and The Who was one of the many reasons why became a long life fan of Rock music and the band and no why was it for "The Kids Are Alright or there High Numbers tunes . The Who became the band they are today from progressing and moving forward from the early days and producing albums that will forever be Rock classics .
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Post by liddypool on Mar 23, 2013 16:59:30 GMT
Love the who.all of their music without trying to complicate the whole issue that is. Same as the beatles. Dam good British groups. Weather they or mods or not.i don't care.its the music that counts.
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Post by ranger on Mar 24, 2013 8:26:34 GMT
Just the phrase 'Rock Classic' sends shivers of dread running up and down my spine.
It was Townshend who put ALL his eggs into the Rock Opera/Prog/Rawwwkkk basket, not The Beatles.
Post-67, what are 'Lady Madonna', 'Hey Jude', 'Get Back', 'Ballad of John & Yoko' if they aren't pop songs? They were all No. 1 singles! Even Side 2 of 'Abbey Road' and Sgt. Pepper's are both essentially just a medley of catchy pop songs spliced together.
The 64-68 time-frame I used was specifically for The Who but, yes, the music I listen to is limited. It goes from pre-war blues, but I confess peaks from Rock 'n' Roll (i.e. mid-50s) to the end of the 60s.
The Rock Classics of which you speak represent a much weaker, and certainly duller (my God, the 1970s were dull!), era musically and, coincidentally (but more importantly) a much, much less interesting era to live through. Furthermore, all the other arts peaked in that 15-year time-frame, and have floundered since.
Cinema, for instance (see 'British Film Industry'). Theatre. Photography. Television. Advertising. All at their peak in the 50s/60s, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that popular music was too.
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Post by Mr Kite on Mar 24, 2013 9:44:42 GMT
Very interesting points there Ranger ! I gathered you are not into Rock , but to call the 70`s dull ! I have the same thoughts on the 80`s and even The Who`s output was poor . The 70`s was for me never dull in any way shape or form . I could write a book on what I was into in 70`s But I wont . So then all the british bands that ruled the world Led Zep, Floyd , Yes , Sabbath , Purple , Jethro Tull, The Who , Queen, David Bowie, Electric Light Orchestra, Supertramp, Hawkwind , King Crimson , Kate Bush , Mike Oldfield ,Fleetwood Mac . The Beatles solo years ! Hell even Punk Rock . The late 60`s were the birth of what became the most prolific time for British bands not just America like in the 60`s but the world . The 70`s . Dull ?! I think not .
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 24, 2013 10:24:44 GMT
Abbey Road a pop album on side 2??? I think not. A popular album it is certainly but if anything Abbey Road is a progressive album.
Ranger, you like to pigeon hole music far too much. You confuse genre with great music. To consign 70's rock music to the dust bin on the basis that you think it's rock is simply naive.
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Post by ranger on Mar 24, 2013 11:17:37 GMT
I'm the one who is NOT pigeon-holing music, I am talking about era.
'WHEN it is' is far more of a factor for me than 'what it is', and the tiresome introspective 'rock classic'/prog era perfectly reflects the less colourful time in which the stuff was churned out. When would you set a time machine to? 1963 or 1978? Anyone would be mad to choose the latter.
And if it's naive to avoid an era which mrkite readily admits includes: Yes, Supertramp, ELO, Mike Oldfield, Fleetwood Mac etc. etc. (oh, the clothes; oh, the fashion!!!), I consider the description of 'naive' to be a huge, no, a colossal, compliment.
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