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Post by pothos on Oct 25, 2013 12:23:26 GMT
I have always had a soft spot for the early UK music scene although a my teenage years were spent listening to the music from the ska, punk and pop electronic scenes that also had some links to Liverpool.
I think in retrospect The Beatles and their global importance crept up on me. I was never one of those teens who thought that my era was the best ever and I could always appreciate that the earlier generations had paved the way. I always enjoyed their music but the history and possible mythology hit only recently. I watched the Magical Mystery tour movie for the first time recently (BBC2 airing) and the doc that attempted to explain the chaos after it was aired. I still think it is creatively out there and how Paul seems to have been the only one prepared to face the ensuing flack head on (still unsure how much input the others had). Oddly enough knowing it was filmed so soon after Brian's death seeing John on the bus almost in both a contemplative and yet tender mood while George seems at least to me veers between shock and suppressed anger. I wonder if the roots of the spilt were sown at that point. The bus scenes do not indicate four lads trying to pull together after an shocking tragedy.
I also never bought the premise they were the cuddly boys of the music scene. Anything but in my eyes they not only had the music and grew with every track they recorded they seem to have this dangerous energy that scares me even now. On top of just discovering the Mona Best, Neil Aspinall link Harrison and Maureen and the apparent incident where John put Paul's windows in and Paul being labelled a bull by Cynthia I am trying to separate fact from fiction and god only knows with this band it must be nigh on impossible.
One other thing I cannot recall the blokes name but apparently everyone on the Liverpool scene thought a guitarist with a band that never broke nationally was one of the best in the industry, wish I could recall his name.
As for Rory I am trying to translate the section where Ty passes away. I translated a page last night from the book wher Rory gets taken to watch Liverpool at Birmingham by his Uncle Eric as a teenager and is told on the train about the bombing of the stands at St Andrews and how a fireman accidently burnt another down after getting fuel and water tanks mixed up is hilarious to read and a running thread throughout the entire book. I have lost count at the matches and scores that are referenced in the book. For all the heartbreak the humour shines through.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 25, 2013 17:04:00 GMT
I think the guitar player you refer to is Johnny 'Guitar' Byrne from the Hurricaines. Ringo was quoted as saying he was 'better than Hendrix'. This has since been denied by several other people who were there at the time claiming it was somewhat over exaggerated.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 26, 2013 0:19:07 GMT
Yep has to be him mm. He's the guy that got George's first chance to get a strat in Hamburg. Or George might have been playing a Fender instead of a Gretch on the Ed Sullivan show. lol
There is also a video up on YouTube titled 'Johnny Guitar and the Hurricanes-Some Other Guy' that was filmed in 1995, four years before Johnny passed away. I tried to put it up on here, but no luck.
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Post by pothos on Oct 26, 2013 11:47:07 GMT
Hope this link works.
By the way interesting to hear George talking about guitars. Is it true that for many years US brands of guitars were banned from sale in the UK and had to be smuggled in. Also didn't Maureen date Johnny before Ringo. Only thing I could never understand about Ringo was not going to Rory's funeral.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 26, 2013 12:26:59 GMT
Sorry your link is doing the same thing mine was.lol Yeah Fenders weren't allowed in England until I believe the early 60's. Hank Marvin got the first one, ordered by Cliff Richard for The Shadows. As for Maureen didn't she date everyone in Liverpool? lol I always thought she was so damn HOT! Nice score Ringo!! And about Ringo not going to the funeral, I even think his answer why was kinda heartless too!
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 26, 2013 12:48:25 GMT
Here is something else many may not know. (I tried to just get the pic up, but couldn't) www.thecanteen.com/lennon1.htmlIf you scan down to Lennon's Mystery Manchester guitar there's Johnny holding it with his friend Larry Wassgren who is holding two of Johnny's old guitars. It doesn't say, but I think the red strat maybe the one Johnny got before George showed up that fateful day in Hamburg. Also a little story about the Dallas Tuxedo guitar. It went up for auction last year and sold for something like $7500. I tried to get on the auction to bid, but it was too late (story of my life)I was going to go to $10k. They didn't say who won the auction, but everyone believes Yoko had someone bidding on it for her.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 26, 2013 12:58:58 GMT
Sorry your link is doing the same thing mine was.lol Yeah Fenders weren't allowed in England until I believe the early 60's. Hank Marvin got the first one, ordered by Cliff Richard for The Shadows. As for Maureen didn't she date everyone in Liverpool? lol I always thought she was so damn HOT! Nice score Ringo!! And about Ringo not going to the funeral, I even think his answer why was kinda heartless too! Maureen was 'seeing' George when she was married to Ringo and George to Pattie. There is a story that Ringo caught George giving Maureen a good 'seeing' to. In Patties book she claims Maureen use to appear unannounced late at night and disappear into the studio with George for hours on end.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 26, 2013 13:06:52 GMT
Yes, a really thoughtless answer from Ringo on not attending Rory's funeral. All he had to say was he didn't want to cause a media frenzy by attending or something. Ringo doesn't come across like a nostalgic person. Similar to his comments about Liverpool on the Jonathan Ross show. I'm from Liverpool but I wasn't offended by what he said. I don't understand why people got so upset about it in Liverpool. It was probably the same people who were offended when The Beatles moved to London. Planks!
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 26, 2013 14:59:35 GMT
I don't know what he said on the Jonathan Ross Show about Liverpool, but when he did that video on his childhood, coming back to Liverpool and showing you the actual places he was talking about I thought was excellent.
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Post by pothos on Oct 29, 2013 12:06:48 GMT
Am I the only one who cannot get my head around the fact that someone nicked guitars from under peoples noses at Abbey Road.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 29, 2013 22:30:35 GMT
I still believe Yoko had someone take Sir Paul's bass. I always wondered, was there a police investigation? I can't find anything about it on the internet other than it was stolen. I know it wasn't valuable back then in '69 as it is today, but still you would want to know if you can trust these people at the studios.
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Post by pothos on Oct 30, 2013 12:12:20 GMT
I still cannot get over how nasty the fallout of the Beatles was. To those on the board was Yoko blamed from the get go for the end of the Beatles. Very odd about the guitars.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 30, 2013 12:19:20 GMT
Well they had to blame somebody and she was the easiest to point the finger to. But it was really a combination of things. I was really surprised it lasted as long as it did!
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Post by Amadeus on Oct 30, 2013 12:41:07 GMT
The main catalyst for the breakup was the dispute over Alan Klein. The underlying reason for The Beatles breakup was that John was bored. It might've helped if The Beatles agreed to record 'Cold Turkey' and if Paul had let the guys take a break between The White Album and their next project.
Why did the Beatles break up? Alan Klein and Paul McCartney.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 30, 2013 13:15:20 GMT
I really believe they broke up when they stopped touring. If Sgt. Pepper wouldn't have been a smash hit that would have probably been the end. Remember Ringo had quit. And they were really upset about that. I think it was really in the back of their minds, but no one wanted to make that BIG statement. They all probably thought what the hell am I going to do now if we broke up.
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Post by mrmustard on Oct 30, 2013 15:20:03 GMT
The cause of the break up was John, Paul, George, Ringo, Allen Klein, the death of Brian Epstein, The Eastmans, LSD, heroin.
The two main culprits were John and Paul. John for losing complete interest in the band and the people invloved. Paul for being under hand e.g. Buying up shares behind Johns back I'm their own publishing company!!
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Post by pothos on Oct 30, 2013 17:44:48 GMT
Interesting that so many things went wrong after Brian's passing. Am I just imagining this or did the Marcos regime send some thugs after them for snubbing Imelda. So strange how things got so bad between everyone and it is not like the rifts really improved. Did john really put Paul's windows out.
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Post by henryj on Oct 30, 2013 23:26:06 GMT
pothos posted: "Am I just imagining this or did the Marcos regime send some thugs after them for snubbing Imelda."
As I posted a few weeks ago, when the Beatles played the Philippines, there was some sort of misunderstanding and the Beatles did not get word that Imelda Marcos had requested an audience with the Beatles. As the story goes, at one point they were on one boat and their stuff (their "stash") was on another. If they had been caught with weed, they would have had their hands cut off. That was one of the many reasons they quit touring.
I think Paul wanting his brother-in-law to be their manager had a lot to do with the breakup. Too much of a "related party" for the other three.
Which raised the question, why doesn't Linda get some of the blame that gets put on Yoko?
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Post by pothos on Oct 30, 2013 23:45:53 GMT
Thank you for all the posts. Still trying to work out a way to translate the book on Rory and the Hurricanes without having to do it word for word and am going slightly batty in the process any suggestions welcome.
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Post by ROCKY on Oct 30, 2013 23:52:12 GMT
Which raised the question, why doesn't Linda get some of the blame that gets put on Yoko? Good question. Because Paul always says John was bringing Yoko around to the sessions, we never did that and it was a 'man thing'. But if you watch the 'Let It Be' movie Paul brings his little girl to a session and she even beats on Ringo's drum ( and he pretends it scares the shit out of him). Also on an outtake from the movie Paul is seen leaving a session with Linda. Like I said they just needed an excuse and Yoko seemed the easiest to point their fingers at.
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