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Post by blueblackbird on Feb 23, 2009 17:44:30 GMT
Hey mrmustard, you forgot to mention Two Of Us.
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Post by mrmustard on Feb 23, 2009 18:54:47 GMT
Hey mrmustard, you forgot to mention Two Of Us. I think I am right in saying that he technically doesn't play bass on this. He plays the bass part on his six string guitar for the verses and other lead fills the rest of the time. I don't think there is a bass guitar in the song. It doesn't sound like one and also no one is playing the bass on this song in the Let It Be film.
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Post by alaskan on Mar 2, 2009 4:11:50 GMT
This is one of those things I have to go with what I hear since i have no books on the matter. I posed the question after seeing Harrison with a bass in photos from the Abbey Road/LIB sessions. I read that he even had a custom 6 string bass. the Harrison quote of Paul's bass playing was a revelation. I'd never heard him comment on Paul before. And that quote was specifically about Something? After seeing photos of Harrison w/ a bass, I had to wonder how could I tell who is on bass? After learning Paul did some guitar work, I began to hear the different styles. But bass? I don't know. The sound on Something is different - but if Harrison made that quote, that settles it. On OBS, whoever is on bass is just covering the guitar bass line George made on his demo. It seems that little effort was put into modifying the demo. Paul seemed to always find a way to add a bit to a song, but OBS seems to have none of that. I find it hard to imagine it isn't Paul on Honey Pie, as the thick bass sound is classic McCartney. Same with GS/CTW. Hearing the demo with no bass, it is hard to imagine that it was not part of Paul's arrangement and again, the bass sound is true to Paul's sound. But very informative about the other songs. Thanks.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 2, 2009 11:02:26 GMT
Hi Alaskan,
I agree with you on Honey Pie, Golden Slumbers and Carry That weight. I am certain it is McCartney playing bass on these tracks also, they were cited references from some books. The Harrison quote was specifically relating to Something.
The 6-string bass you mention was played by John and paul as well. Lennon can be seen in the Let It Be movie playing it on the Long and Winding Road. They had this bass as far back as the White album and was used on Back In The USSR and possibly a couple of other tracks.
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Post by Bobber on Mar 3, 2009 8:49:47 GMT
It is whispered that George plays the bass on She Said She Said as well.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 3, 2009 11:08:50 GMT
It is whispered that George plays the bass on She Said She Said as well. Interesting whisper but very doubtful.
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Post by zipp on Mar 3, 2009 16:08:29 GMT
It is whispered that George plays the bass on She Said She Said as well. Interesting whisper but very doubtful. This is the session where Paul left in a huff and so George was supposed to have taken over bass duties. It's that very rare occasion when Paul left the group (in the studio)!
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 3, 2009 16:50:44 GMT
It sounds exactly like McCartney on bass though. Similar to Paperback Writer and And Your Bird Can Sing. It doesn't sound like a guitarist having a go at the bass guitar for a track. I have heard the same story but heard it that he left the studio in a huff after recording bass and hence did not do any backing vocals. In Lewishons Recording Sessions he does state that the basic recorded track of drums, 2 guitars and bass was recorded properly 3 times with the third take being used for overdubs.
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Post by zipp on Mar 4, 2009 20:47:33 GMT
"I'm not sure but I think it was one of the only Beatles records I never played on. I think we had a barney or something and I said , "Oh fuck you!" and they said "Well, we'll do it." I think George played bass." - Sir Paul McCartney, Many Years From Now.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 4, 2009 22:12:50 GMT
"I'm not sure but I think it was one of the only Beatles records I never played on. I think we had a barney or something and I said , "Oh fuck you!" and they said "Well, we'll do it." I think George played bass." - Sir Paul McCartney, Many Years From Now. I have found The Beatles themselves to be the most unreliable sources of valid information. They have pretty bad memories for facts about their own history. Lennon is probably the worst but the others are not far behind.
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Post by alaskan on Mar 5, 2009 4:58:02 GMT
Just goes to show how hard it is to really tell on some songs. I was really surprised to find out Ronnie Wood plays bass on a couple of tunes on Some Girls. Then I realized he played bass in the Jeff Beck Group and a couple of tunes with the Faces. Some guitarists such as Wood are actually great bassists as well. So it would be hard to tell if Harrison was on bass by style alone, since I have no idea what his style is.
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Post by zipp on Mar 5, 2009 22:39:13 GMT
"I'm not sure but I think it was one of the only Beatles records I never played on. I think we had a barney or something and I said , "Oh fuck you!" and they said "Well, we'll do it." I think George played bass." - Sir Paul McCartney, Many Years From Now. I have found The Beatles themselves to be the most unreliable sources of valid information. They have pretty bad memories for facts about their own history. Lennon is probably the worst but the others are not far behind. Yes but McCartney is the most reliable unless he doesn't really want to talk about something. Here he's being evasive but he sure hasn't forgotten getting angry and leaving the session. The song was about LSD and at this point Paul felt John and George were putting him down because he hadn't taken it yet.
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 7, 2009 14:51:53 GMT
Judging by the quote it seems that McCartney wanted to distance himself from the song. It still sounds like his style of playing so I am still inclined to think it is him playing. It doesn't sound like the bass has been overdubbed. I tend to agree with Lewishon's version of events that they recorded three basic rhythm tracks then McCartney stormed out.
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Post by zipp on Mar 7, 2009 20:46:17 GMT
I tend to agree with Lewishon's version of events that they recorded three basic rhythm tracks then McCartney stormed out. Lewisohn doesn't specifically mention Paul on this track. Are you inventing this?
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Post by mrmustard on Mar 7, 2009 21:39:42 GMT
I tend to agree with Lewishon's version of events that they recorded three basic rhythm tracks then McCartney stormed out. Lewisohn doesn't specifically mention Paul on this track. Are you inventing this? I don't invent things. Do you not read too well? He said "Then the recording proper began, with three takes of the rhythm track (in this instance drums, bass and two guitars)." A rhythm track is a basic perfomance with no overdubs. Who then is playing bass? Harrison with his feet?? After the rhythm track was recorded I am then suggesting McCartney stormed off. Harrison and Lennon then completed the rest of the overdubs.
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Post by zipp on Mar 8, 2009 16:30:19 GMT
Lewisohn doesn't specifically mention Paul on this track. Are you inventing this? I don't invent things. Do you not read too well? He said "Then the recording proper began, with three takes of the rhythm track (in this instance drums, bass and two guitars)." A rhythm track is a basic perfomance with no overdubs. Who then is playing bass? Harrison with his feet?? After the rhythm track was recorded I am then suggesting McCartney stormed off. Harrison and Lennon then completed the rest of the overdubs. Your answer was ambiguous since it gave the impression that Lewisohn said Paul left the session at some point. In fact he never mentions Paul. But I take your point about the rhythm track.
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Post by blueblackbird on Mar 12, 2009 14:11:38 GMT
I have found The Beatles themselves to be the most unreliable sources of valid information. They have pretty bad memories for facts about their own history. Lennon is probably the worst but the others are not far behind. Yes but McCartney is the most reliable unless he doesn't really want to talk about something. Here he's being evasive but he sure hasn't forgotten getting angry and leaving the session. The song was about LSD and at this point Paul felt John and George were putting him down because he hadn't taken it yet. Maybe Paul played the bass in a former take and George just emulated his bass line...
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Post by meanmrkite on Apr 20, 2009 19:28:06 GMT
Kind of off-topic, at least re She Said, She Said, but there is a nice pic of George playing a Fender Jazz bass (4 string, not the Fender VI) in Lewisohn's Recording Sessions book. Looks to me like it's from Abbey Road session era.
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Post by alaskan on May 10, 2009 0:12:19 GMT
That photo must be the one I saw which started me asking about this in the first place. I would tend to agree about McCartney playing bass on "She Said...", but again, I wouldn't be able to recognize Harrison on bass.
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Post by coconutfudge on Aug 24, 2009 16:29:49 GMT
On the "Anthology" DVD extras disc, there's a bit where George Martin sits in the studio with Paul, George and Ringo and talks about a few of the sessions. He says that the basic tracks for "Golden Slumbers" and "Carry That Weight" were done live with Paul on piano, Ringo on drums and George on bass. I find it funny that George seems totally shocked by this revelation. He has no recollection of it.
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